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Motorola’s GrapheneOS phones will launch in 2027 priced higher than Pixels (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

When I said I have high hopes I didn't mean the price.

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    • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    i mean everything would be higher than pixels because google heavily subsidises pixels to get their data collection in your hands.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    They're mid-tier hardware at flagship prices.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    And they do the thing just fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (3 children)

    there are many decent smartphones available for less money than pixels though, even from motorola

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah and they are insecure and probably have very short and incomplete software updates

    Phones are sadly not general purpose computers

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    If they're insecure then there is an easy way to exploit it to root/flash it with a better OS if that wasn't already possible. Not everyone wants to drop $900 on a hunk of plastic.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It is easier to break something than to reverse engineer drivers and firmware and maintain yourself XD

    Also, firmware updates need to be signed so it is impossible to update, unless there is a really bad vulnerability

    And you can buy phones used, my most expensive one was under 400€

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    • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    You usually buy phones intended for custom roms used, so the release price doesnt really matter imo. The question is how longlived will they be. Swappable battery? Stuff like that.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

    If Graphene is in control of production in any way: Probably about 7 or more years of support

    If Motorola is in control: it may be DOA

    Not wanting that to happen but Motorola's track record is NOT good at all for that kind of thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Motorola is doing the porting at the moment. But yeah its hard to say. Ideally tho we need Qualcomm and Samsung to bring higher end security to lower end processors to get more options

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I seriously doubt Motorola/Lenovo is "doing the porting", I don't see the GrapheneOS letting others mess with the software. The GrapheneOS team are going to control the production of the hardware to their specs and then install the software after the sale or even sell it themselves.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    "DOA on arrival" ... you know the OA already stands for on arrival right?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    True. For this specific case dont expect low used prices.

    Experts take care and dont sell their devices.

    Dumb people buy the new phone and then sell it because they switched to an iPhone or something... dumb. That is why there are so many low-spec Pixels on the used market. Try finding a 500gb Pixel pro used!

    Same will be the case with used top tier Motorola phones. Lower userbase and those people are less likely to sell them.

    A Pixel 9/10 is kinda premium but the normal one. The a is the lower tier but also runs GrapheneOS. But the a is not the generally advertized model for cheaper, it is released separately and has obvious downsides because you always have a direct comparison. It is simply way less likely for people to buy "the regular Pixel" (which is kinda premium) than for people to buy the top tier Motorola

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    • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Will these still be considered "criminal phones" by the governments that already make that claim against GrapheneOS users?

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Considering that GrapheneOS runs on devices as old and cheap as Pixel 6, and previously supported earlier versions too, the refusal to produce cheaper models seems almost malicious.

    GrapheneOS does not require fancy hardware besides a security chip.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My suspicion is that this is partially risk based pricing for Motorola. They know some people value privacy, but they aren't banking on lots. So if they're putting the work in on this they want to see the value back.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Fair, but, as per the article, these devices will ship without GrapheneOS, so they'll be mostly focused on regular consumers. This is not some GrapheneOS-first model, even if they've done some work to assist GrapheneOS project.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Well, their requirements increased since Pixels got arm memory tagging in the 8 generation. The 11 would be more secure than a 7 for example but they are still uncertain about supporting them, because it is a clear security downgrade

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Pixel 6 isn't cheap.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    $200 for a new Pixel 6 in my area. The Motorola device described in the article is expected to come at $1000+.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Dont buy anything older than an 8 currently. Think about support lifespan, the Pixel 6 will be EOL in one month!

    https://endoflife.date/pixel

    https://resist.berlin/pixel-preise

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Indeed! I'd rather go for Pixel 8 and up, I merely mentioned that GrapheneOS does not need too fancy of a hardware.

    Neat table on that second link though! And actually comprehensible even without speaking much German lol

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    • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Saw this the other day. Bought a new battery for my nothing phone 1. Gonna install evolutionX vanilla tomorrow on it. Hopeful that it'll last a couple of years more.

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    • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    I'll buy one if it's a flip.

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