Well if that isn't just about the most evil thing you could openly admit to doing.

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[–] 243 points 2 months ago (15 children)

If they want to dismantle a union, start with police unions. But I'm sure that's the one and only union they would support. Tells you something about these assholes. And police.

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  • [–] 105 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Counterpoint: Unions who break up strikes aren’t unions

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    except police unions arent true unions, just a mafia/gang that can strongarm a city to give it what it wants for protection.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    that's what an ideal union is

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Exceeeeppppptttt when the union in question is full of members who's job it is to put people in cages like animals, most of the time without need. Also when a side effect of the job of the members is murder of innocent civilians and protesters.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    that isn't relevant to the quality of the union, it juat makes the entire job evil

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I have to disagree with you here, you can't group police unions described in my last comment to, say, coal miner unions which got the miners and their families paid in US dollars, got them out of broken down and expensive company housing, raised their wages to living levels, and generally raised generations of entire regions out of poverty before the mines were automated or shut down.

    ETA: Also, other types of unions don't terrorize civilians when they don't vet their way, other types of unions hurt the BOSSES and capitalists and are generally integrated into the community, not trying to lord over it.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    All public sector unions should be disbanded.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I work in the public sector working in health and fitness. Should my union be dismantled?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yes if you are a public sector employee. There's not an owner or management for you to negotiate against

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes. All public sector unions. There isn't a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where "management" essentially agrees to anything as there's no benefit to disagree.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less.

    We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven't seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession.

    In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever.

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  • [–] 104 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Corey A. DeAngelis is an American advocate for school choice.

    DeAngelis was an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. He worked for the American Federation for Children, a conservative education nonprofit group founded by Betsy DeVos, from 2021 to 2024.

    He joined the board of directors of the Liberty Justice Center in 2022. He has appeared on Fox News multiple times to as a commentator on education policy.

    DeAngelis has described school choice as "a winner for Trump". He contributed to the Project 2025 document, in the section discussing education and the dissolution of the U.S. Department of Education.

    In 2024, he released the book The Parent Revolution.

    This guy's literally done nothing his entire life besides get paid by right-wing think tanks to undercut public schools

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Why do people in the US equate "choice" with destroying other people's protections?

    • "School choice" = removing teacher's work protections.
    • "Health care choice" = no healthcare unless you can pay through the nose.
    • "Food choice" = some of the worst food standards in the hemisphere.
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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Almost all of it is, or at least originates, from racism, at least with schools.

    When public schools allowed racial integration , school choice became a mechanism for racists to pull their kids from mixed schools.

    It grew into things like charter schools that are private, often religious, schools that get public funding and maintain segregation.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    It's a classic conservative propaganda technique to name their evil plans the opposite of what they actually mean. If it contains the word "freedom" it's about tyranny. If it says "protect" it means persecution, and if it says "children" just mentally append "fuck" in front of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Right, but I don't think I even want "choice". I just want the best. The best education, the best food, the best healthcare. If there isn't any choice...that's fine as long as it's high quality.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    We need to stop saying right vs left framing. It’s the wealthy class propaganda technique. Poor people that are “conservative” are in most cases just tricked by these parasitic ghouls that spend money to lie to people to work against their own self interests.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The average maga voter isn't the mind behind the propaganda they parrot.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is exactly the point.

    They live in a controlled information environment; much like the Russian people who think Ukraine is full to the brim with Nazis.

    They have been force fed hate and bigotry for decades at this point. They are not blameless, but also they don't deserve all the hate that is projected at them.

    As pointed out, the education system is gutted, thus they are not curious and checking their biases; it is normalized for them to be hateful toward "others"; their whole world is small and full of fear.

    I pity them their small pathetic lives, and dislike them for their shitty views. The only thing I hate is that the stupid bigotry seems to be spreading around the world.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    I mean, I agree with you on all this, but I have a very hard time seeing how this is relevant to my comment. The topic was conservative propaganda techniques, not hating conservative voters. I despise them, but hate is too strong a word for me to feel for any person.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Because of all this competition we have in the market! With many schools near your home, they compete for your conforming child's business. What with the labor shortage, we have all these employers with that good health insurance competing for our time. And of course, small farmers are doing great and supply our many competing food markets.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    Why would you admit to that?

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  • [–] 61 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Because Republicans hate education. Most of the maga crowd will cheer this as a way to get back at the "wokes", or "intellectual elites".

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I can't think of anything dumber than labeling intelligence as evil....

    So of course Republicans do that

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago*

    I can’t think of anything dumber than labeling intelligence as evil….

    Voting a convicted felon sex offender pedophile serial liar insurrectionist gassy orange fatman with a weird yellow comb-over and a bad case of fronto-temporal dementia as president?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    My dad is maga. The reason he would say is the teachers union protects bad teachers and just shuffles them around.

    Don’t agree with it but that’s the talking point.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Are people really upset at... bad teachers? with everything else going on?? Like I also had a few bad teachers as a kid, but I also had a future with a biosphere that can sustain life. Maybe we should focus on the actually existential one here.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Teacher's Unions aren't perfect and there have been some valid complaints about them, but that's basically every union. Honestly, my biggest complaint is that teachers have unions and they're still not paid enough.

    But at any rate, this is typical conservative rhetoric. "We've found (or invented) one thing we can complain about, so rather than having a rational, calm discussion about the state of things and how we can improve that thing, we want to cause the most drama, scare everybody the most, and tear everything down, while promising to replace it with something better, a promise that we'll never, ever, in a million years, deliver on."

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    they arnt, even in blue areas while thier wages are much higher, the hcol kinda negates it, unless you somehow can make it to 10+years as a teacher you will get close to 100k, usually teachers often supported by thier SOs most of the time.

    it should be 100k from the start. they are dealing with admins with red tape bratty children, unruly parents, children that arnt willing to learn,,,etc.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Great so teachers have no support, and people wonder why we have a shortage of teachers

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    It's by design.

    Once upon a time, the USA had a strong middle class. Billionaires got taxed heavily, and our public schools were the envy of the world. Well funded and produced a lot of great students.

    But educated people are difficult to control and even harder to dupe. The GOP realized that if they can gut public education, the masses will become malleable again. Meanwhile, the children of the rich can continue to go to expensive private institutions for their own education. So the rich stay educated, and the poor's go in the gutter.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    It should also be noted that they must be malleable beneath the threshold of the GOPs competence. So to effectively manipulate, the GOP needs a population more ignorant than the DNC does. The left can afford smarter ppl because the leadership itself is more competent, it ain't like education isn't being gutted in blue states as well

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Only problem with that is that a society like that becomes very unsuccessful, lowering the standard of living for everyone, including the rich.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The uber rich in India are doing ok. It’ll probably be like that. A caste based society

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Also cutting education now has no effect for about 25 years or so(in their view. Its approximately right but not completely true...) Their short term brainrot is so bad they would abolish education entirely in a heart beat and coast on those miniscule savings for a few decades until the world rips itself apart...

    Also, my pet conspiracy is they all know the world is going to devolve into chaos due to global heating and climate destabilization anyways so why should they care about education when its not going to produce anything worthwhile when the chaos hits... from what I'm seeing 2040 is where things get dicey and most things have inflected negative. 2050 is where things break down genuinely. Too many bad things happen at once...

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