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We can go milder
- Midwest Mild
- Minnesota Middling Mild
- Wisconsin Wildly Mild
- Indiana Insanely Mild
- Ohio One Mild to rule them all and in the blandness bind them
I don’t like water. It’s too spicy.
To quote a Minnesotan I know, talking about chili: "I'm going to add some mayo, to give it some zing"
Luckily the twin cities are sanctuary cities and you can get people who aren't whiter than rice to make food here
sounds like the uk 
Wisconsin, where they ask you how spicy you want your food on a scale from mozzarella to cheddar.
As an ohioan there's 2 different spice levels. One for your average milquetoast Midwestern old white people and one for the rest of us who go out of their way to put hot sauce on literally everything
Could be even more mild - European Extra Spicy
European spicy is the same as American spicy, and both vary wildly between countries/states. Portugal or Spain have mostly the same range as Texas or Louisiana for example.
I really kicked the hornet's nest with this 😁
I live in Europe, love the place, but Americans are obsessed with spicy food.
The worlds hottest peppers are bred in America https://puckerbuttpeppercompany.com/
Unless we're talking about the Midwest US or something, only Asia comes close.
And to cap it off, British
I once asked for my curry to be as spicy as they could go. I stopped the waiter and clarified, not 5 stars. Beyond the star system. Enough red chili powder to make the dish immediately and apparently more sour. He had a look of concern, but acknowledged my need for capsaicin. This was the first time I had ever made myself clear, and landed on the heel of 6 consecutive mild “5 star spice” dishes.
Anyway, they bring out my food a while later. It’s completely unspiced. I’m really hoping, on reflection, that no one else received the masochistic dinner I ordered.
I once told my delivery Indian food place that they should make it as hot as the cook would eat it
It was one of the few times I barely managed to finish a hot dish
I felt the spiciness the next day when I peed
Most people are familiar with the "you'll feel that tomorrow when you poop", but I think relatively few have experienced the spicy pee the next day.
Something about Carolina Reaper does that to me. I wonder if there's some compound that gets processed differently in that pepper, or if it's just the overall concentration of capsaicin.
I got the spicy pee once after eating at an Indian restaurant in West Virginia. Toilet paper did not help.
I was meeting some friends at a Turkish restaurant and the table next to us ordered something so spicy I had to leave. Don't know what it was or how they ordered it but damn that level of spice should be illegal.
Might just be outgassing due to recent preparation. Hot oil on a spicy dish can produce some intense fumes, even in a relatively mild dish.
I open every door and window when I cook at home, and the food I cook is usually mild. Just a jalapeño
Yep I learnt that the hard way last year, when I grilled something (can't remember what it was, maybe bouchons or noodles) and added chili paste to the pan.
I rendered the entire house uninhabitable for the night. My cats woke up and fled. My wife opened all windows but it seemed like the spice had been baked into the walls. No ventilation could get rid of it. The upstairs neighbours complained.
Biiiig oof. It happens to me so frequently that I accidentally told someone that I’m used to being pepper sprayed. It took me two seconds to realize what I had said, and a thorough explanation about my food preferences to make certain that they didn’t think me a rapist.
I'm also a baby with spice. Im trying to get better but I used to think pepperoni pizza was too spicy. Now I'm up to the point where I can eat a sandwich with banana peppers on it...
The other week my gf accidently cooked with a can of "medium" rotel instead of "mild" and I couldn't eat more than a bite.
Would you like to know the trick to developing your tolerance? It’s pretty simple. Just choose your favorite fat and heavily include it in a side. I used to choose butter, until it started killing me.
Cream of leek soup, butter fried quesadillas, sautéed pea vines, just a dish of olive oil with bread. Once it goes beyond your comfort zone, rein it in with your side. Gradually, you’ll get used to it through brief exposure.
Bonus, more varied meals. Fuck, now I really want butter fried okra…
Yeah I also occasionally just push my comfort. In a lot of cases it's just not a flavor I enjoy. Same with fish, I can eat it but I just don't like it.
Irony is gf loves fish and spicy stuff. Like well have scrambled eggs in the morning with toast and bacon. Mine will have a small drop of ketchup for dipping. Hers will be coated in Sriracha and hot sauce.
Hmm, are you a fan of sour? I adore it, which led me to go prefer spicy foods. Most pepper powders and pastes are pretty acidic, which isn’t everyone’s bag.
I do a lot of pasta, a lot of sandwiches, I like some sour like saurkraut and pickles. I like onions and garlic. Most meat I eat is either chicken in some sauce(like alfrado or teriyaki or such) sausage with onions and peppers or in like a vodka sauce.
Yes I grew up in an American house with Italian and German influences if you couldn't tell.
In that case, it seems like you weren’t introduced to it early enough to form a strong pain->pleasure correlation. Honestly, I’m mostly just envious of your ability to eat dairy!
I love cheese. My son is severely lactose intolerant but loves milk so I have to buy lactose free milk... Oh my god is that stuff expensive. That said regular milk and he will be either vomiting or explosive diarrhea from a single cup of regular milk, ask his grandmother how much fun that was the other week when she insisted "oh it will be fine"... It was not fine!
Nope, I don't get the pain -> pleasure thing. Nothing against it I just get the pleasure from it. Only sorta similar thing I appreciate is strong alcohol. Like I'll do a rum and coke or vodka and juice both mixed like 50/50. Most other people try a sip and end up coughing while swearing lol.
Vomiting from lactose intolerance? I feel like there might be more at play here than a simple dietary intolerance. I’ve absolutely heard of diarrhea and gas, but vomiting is new to me. Either way, I’m glad you guys found a way to keep your son’s diet diverse!
What? Coughing from 20% alcohol? We mix bourbon and ginger ale to cut the taste and have no issues. Maybe the brands? (I use shitty bourbon made for mixing)
He has lots of health problems. Non-verbal autistic, epilepsy, lactose intolerant, liver issues, developmentally slow, mostly deaf, vision issues, sleep disorders, poor fine motor skills, etc etc. It's odd though, if he drinks regular milk it's usually just diarrhea. If he eats something that was made with regular milk(like Mac and cheese or cream based cakes) he is more likely to vomit.
I think most people cough cause they are expecting a regular mixed drink. Compared to what you get at a bar, my drinks are like 4-5x as strong.
Oh shoot, that is a lot for one person to deal with. They sound incredibly mentally fortitudinous. The conclusions and methods they must have created over the years, in such a unique situation, would surely be fascinating. But I looked it up, vomiting isn’t uncommon in the lactose intolerant. I was just unaware. I’m guessing its emission is related to how far the food has gone. Liquids move quicker than solids and might, therefore, be unavailable for vomiting.
That makes sense. And you’d surely be a popular bartender, the way you distribute booze!
Well his mother is also hear taking up some of the responsibility. He takes 11 medications per day, we'll 11 doses only 6 different medications. He is 13 years old and today and still can't use the bathroom unassisted(he can pull off his underwear and sit on toilet but can't pull them back on). Thankfully basically all his medical needs are covered by medicaid otherwise no say we could afford it.
Still alot of work and stress and it's definitely effecting my health and my life. I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually led to death indirectly(for example high stress causing heart issues).
That does sound immensely stressful in every direction. I can’t imagine having to deal with so much, and I can’t having to be dealt with so much. I’m sorry things aren’t easier for you guys.
I don’t mean to pry but I’m trying to expand my understanding of people and their situations and reaction to become wholer, myself. If you’d be willing to answer, and I will not push whatsoever, would you tell me how has it affected your perspective on intrapersonal relationships and people in general?
Umm... Wow that's a complex question. In general people have been good to me and especially when they learn about what's going on in my life. Like one time I put him on the bus to school, finished getting ready for work, arrived at work parking lot and got a phone call. He had a severe seizure for over 5 minutes so school called 911 and he was on way to hospital. I called my boss, gave 30 second explanation as driving out of parking lot and the only response when I got back to work 2 days later was "how is he doing? Good, he's a quick recap of what happened". That makes me positive on other people. His doctors and nurses are generally fantastic and understanding of any issues, not too surprising as mostly they are at a world class hospital for specialized medical needs( cook children's hospital, horrible name but great facility). Actually 1 person treated us poorly, his 5th grade teacher. He had another seizure, we were asked if he had all his morning medicine, we answered honestly "no, we are out of depekot because the pharmacy is out of stock, they said they expect a delivery tomorrow". The fucking teacher reported us to CPS for "medical neglict". Case was dismissed after an interview but seriously fuck that teacher.
Honestly, it just hurts me mentally. Like everyone is good and nice and accommodating. They understand that it's difficult and requires time and effort to properly care for him. That said even with all that I can barely keep my head above water. The lack of sleep, the stress, the worry, it's dragging me down. I feel like I should be able to handle everything, add on the support we get from services like Medicare and from other people this should be easy/manageable but I feel like I just can't. That makes me feel like a failure. I know it's a tough situation. I know most people would probably struggle too. But knowing a fact like that and how it makes you feel mentally are not the same.
Restaurants very rarely go full spicy with non natives of the cuisine and for good reason.
You can persuade them if you're a regular and they can up the stakes gradually without risking to burn you out of existence, but otherwise they'll just lie to you.
It feels great when they don't feel they have to protect you from yourself and just bring you however they eat it, but they are very right that most people can't deal.
I could once, but I come originally from a place where spicy is really spicy, and had been growing my tolerance for a while.
I wouldn't even try it now.
I straight up would have just left and refused to pay.
I was with friends, and we all joked about how I didn’t deserve to have any spice. That I was a spice peasant. That pain is weakness leaving the body, and they saw no weakness to excise. That the kitchen knew better than to let white peoples know that there were spices in the back. Just a whole lot of goofiness.
If the food had been bad, then I would have made a stink. It was still tasty despite the kitchen’s forgetfulness, or the wait staff’s mixup. And the company was good
I am surprised you still ordered from them after so many screwed up orders. I give them a couple of tries, but if they can't make my curry spicy, I will find a place that will.
We all have to live with some sort of bigotry, and mine takes the form of every restaurant underestimating my spice tolerance by an order of magnitude.
They’re very close by and otherwise delicious. I’ll never forgive missed salt. You get 0 do-overs for missed salt. But I’m not going to care too much about a little thing like spiciness. I’d prefer it, but it’s a detail at best, given the world I live in.
I get what you're saying, but for some reason I just cannot enjoy curry that isn't spicy. I LOVE both Thai and Indian curry, but only if it is hot. I have luckily found places for both locally that will take my word for it when I ask for food as Thai Hot or Indian Hot.
I mean, every curry is at least a little bit spicy. That just goes along with the spice mix. I’d prefer it to be beyond mild, but It necessarily keeps at least warmness. If I ever find a place that trusts my tolerance, is nearby, and doesn’t over-sugar, it’ll be my main choice.
Which just reminded me of the Indian buffet that closed a few years ago. They had a kiln where they fired fresh naan by the pound per minute. At table side, they set mixing sauces to adjust the spice of their food for yourself. $20 for 6 freshly charred garlic buttered naans, 3 dishes, and an appetizer or 5. I’m deeply sad now.
I used to regularly go to an awesome Vietnamese Thai food cart in a big U.S. city. The first time I ordered drunken noodles, I made the mistake of saying yes when he asked if I wanted it spicy. It took me 45 minutes and a shitload of water to get through it. But the flavor under the spice was excellent, so I wanted to try it again.
The next time I went, I ordered it again but asked for "white guy spicy." The old dude laughed and made one of the best drunken noodle dishes I've ever had, with the perfect spice level for me.
i didn't know what drunken noodles are so i looked it up. but it says it's a thai dish?
Yup, it's called Pad Kee Mao in Thai. Vietnam isn't known for its spicy food (there's a lot of French influence to their cuisine), whereas Thailand very much is the home of hot food.
Sounds like I made a dumb dumb and it was actually a Thai food cart, not Vietnamese. It's been over 10 years since I went there, so I think I just cited the wrong country of origin for it.
They had Pad Kee Mao on the menu too, and their drunken noodles were basically the same recipe, just with fettuccine-like noodles instead of the wide egg noodles.
Oh man I did some work in the Berkshires once upon a time, and the company I was working with took me out to lunch at this Malaysian place near their building that they swear by.
They asked, 1-10, how spicy I wanted it. The guys I was with ordered 6 and 10 (the 10 guy was Malaysian, himself). I ordered a 3.
I can tolerate spice. I like spicy foods.
That was the spiciest fucking meal I had in my life. It was so spicy that the next day or two, I couldn't sit down right. It was just as spicy on the way out as it was on the way in.
It was so damn good though.
I am afraid of the 10 now. That must be like a hot lava geiser.
Maybe. A while back in Nandos I thought I would try adding the next spice up to have with some chips. Normally I get medium. Tried a chip with hot... That seems the same?
OK, extra hot... No, that also feels equally spicy to the medium. Maybe a bit of a difference in flavour but actual spice seemed pretty much the same.
The mild/extra mild ones are a bit less spicy though.
Malaysian spice is crazy too. Think I ordered mild and that was wild
I have travelled to India a few times and the food wasn’t spicer than what I could get here in Kansas.
After some discovery I learned that we use the word spicy differently (although South India Andhra style was a bit hotter).
I was used to using the word spicy to mean the heat level of the food, kinda like a measure of capsaicin. This is how I see Americans use the word.
They were largely using spicy to refer to the volume off spices in a dish, kinda like a measure of “strength of flavor”. This is how I saw various cultures in India use the word.
Those things are often related, but are different in meaningful ways that result in these tropes.
Yup the word hot is used to specify the heat level, spicy just means it uses various spices in it, which could include stuff like cinnamon or cardamom etc which don’t add heat but impart flavor and aroma
To be fair, the English language doesn't have a true word for capsaicin-y. Spanish has the word picante ("prick-y/bite-y/stingy") which is distinct from hot (caliente) and spice (especia).
That's a very good point, a lot of spices (and herbs) have strong flavors, even some "hot"ness, but little or no capsaicin. As a person who has a bad reaction to capsaicin (Even a moderate amount causes my hæmorrhoids to hæmorrhage for days. And yet, less applicable to Indian food, I can have all the wasabi/horseradish all day) but loves the other strong flavours of Indian food I would politely ask the waiter or chef to leave out the chilies and go easy on the ginger, but let loose on everything else they want: fenugreek, curry-leaf, asafœtida, aniseed, garlic, cardamom, coriander, black pepper and all the "secret spices" that make up their signature flavour.
And I would try to pick dishes where the base is something else and the chilies are added later, because they aren't going to want to start from scratch, they can't exactly un-marinate that chicken.
Mexican food is a little more challenging because chilies are the heart of it and often the first ingredient.
Mexican restaurants often have a hot sauce rack or varying degrees at the table. (Aside: Mexico is where chilies were first cultivated) No worry about spicing each dish to individual needs, everyone can top off to make how spicy they want. Sometimes see abuelitas pulling their favorite hot sauce out of a hand bag, maybe with a pack of tortillas as well, not paying restaurant prices for tortillas.
Can ask for chilies, chilie paste and chili oil at many Asian restaurants in case need to top off spicyness. Works best when eating family style.
I don't have a particularly strong spice tolerance- Shin Black absolutely takes me out, but there's two Chinese restaurants that I occasionally order from and they have chili oil that they market as "🌶️🌶️🌶️🥵" and I've ordered it just to try it out. I was expecting to take a dab of that and absolutely lose my shit, but man that shit was barely spicy at all. I couldn't believe how little spice that actually had. It had like the flavor of spice, but the scoville count must be in the low three digit range. That, or I'm just immune to that specific type of spice.
In my experience, mexican restaurants don't have particularly spicy sauces available. They can prepare food quite spicy, but they almost never have good sauces. The local Mexican place I go too has the most basic of sauces so I just bring my own because their food is excellent, it just needs more spice.
Bummer. Should qualify I've spent a good portion of my life in the California cities of San Jose, Santa Ana and San Diego. Over 13 million people of Mexican heritage and over 10,000 Mexican restaurants in the state. Odds are some of the restaurants have weak sauce but I've guess I've been lucky. Helps choosing smaller local restaurants with a mostly Latino clientele.
As fun as it is to make fun of America, there are plenty of countries with way worse spice tolerance. You wouldn't expect it, as the home of wasabi, but most Japanese people have the tolerance level of a white Midwestern grandma with severe acid reflux.
Wasabi and radishes and mustard have a different chemical mechanism from peppers for their spice. I had a friend who grew up in India, and has basically no regard for capsaicin, over for dinner one night. We had some radishes out of our garden, and some of them were definitely on the hot side so I warned her. She scoffed and bit off half a good sized radish. She was soon downing iced tea to wash it away and said, oh my god, is that what spicy food is like for you? But capsaicin is oil based and doesn't wash away so easily.
Very true, the two types of "spiciness" are quite different (wasabi is basically a ten-second flavor blast, whereas capsaicin sticks with you and accumulates). It's way more that just "mouth hot."
I remember one night, we ordered takeout sushi and got a side of edamame, too.
I wasn't paying attention and picked up what I thought was a bean that had fallen onto the sushi tray, and just ate it.
It was not a bean.
Germany was another country where, upon trying some chips that were labeled something like "Dangerously Ultra hot" actually made me laugh because they were about as spicy as black pepper.
I had some pretty solidly spicy curries and ramen in Japan though, I definitely think it's like the US where it's very regional.
I don't think Japan spice levels are regional, it's just that actual spicy food is more widely available in cosmopolitan areas. Traditional Japanese food has basically zero spiciness outside of stuff like wasabi, which is a different kind of spicy that kicks through your nose and is gone in moments, or Japanese pepper, which makes your lips tingle but doesn't affect your tongue very much. Their chilis that get used in the spice mixes called ichimi or shichimi are a very low level of spice, and up until the past 10ish years, the hottest stuff you could commonly find was tabasco.
Because of that, you often ran into the same sort of issue in all places without a reputation for spicy, meaning that 98% of the restaurants will make nothing spicy no matter how hot you ask for it, and the other 2% will melt your face when you order the max level.
For sure, Japanese restaurants often have the option to make it spicier (either when ordering or as a condiment you can add yourself). However I was surprised at how many people I knew had very low tolerance and would only order what I'd consider mild (or medium if they felt like challenging themselves).
I mean actual wasabi isn't that "hot", the majority of what is called wasabi, outside Japan is horseradish which is a lot "hotter". Wasabi is also eaten in incredibly small amounts to season the food rather than provide a dominant flavour.
Traditional Japanese food has almost no heat at all, short hop to Korea though where they love very spicy food.
Absolutely, true wasabi has a much more delicate flavor, but it still packs way more of a punch than, say, even the spiciest Japanese curry. I was floored by how spicy Korean food was when I first tried it, especially by comparison with Japanese cuisine. Generally speaking, I don't think Korean and Japanese food have much of an overlap, except maybe in ingredients used and the prevalence of rice- and noodle-based dishes.
I will never forgive the companies that purposefully make jalapenos less spicy. Like they actually grow them to be less spicy just 'cause the specific USians can't handle it. Fucking insane.
I remember going to America for the first time ordering Mexican food that was absolutely load with Jalapenos and I was like "oh no, I'm in danger" then I bit into one and it just didn't do anything??? Was wondering if my mouth has just broken or something lol
That explains why I sometimes eat jalapenos and barely feel any spice
I, on the other hand decided to grow my own jalapeños a few years back. I thought it would be cool to grow scorpion peppers, too.
The scorpion peppers were dehydrated to be added to dishes sparingly to rapidly increase the spice without changing much flavor.
Did you know that scorpion peppers and jalapeños cross-pollinate? Those were some of the hottest jalapeños I have ever had in my life.
5/7 would do again.
While peppers are prolific cross-pollinators, you don't see the results of that in the original fruit. If you grow a habanero and a jalapeno next to each other, the fruit they produce will be exactly what you would expect from an ordinary jalapeno and an ordinary habanero. If you save the seeds, however, and grow the F1 hybrid it will be a mix of the two parents phenotypes. It won't look exactly like either parent, and will be some combination of the two in flavor.
If the original fruit you got from the jalapeno was different than you expected it could have been a hybrid itself, or it could have been growing conditions encouraged a spicier flavor.
Mainland Europe is pretty bad as well. I get „scharf“ in Germany and true to the birthplace of homeopathy, that’s some homeopathic capsaicin.
That's not why. It's because jalapenos are used in a lot of packaged food, and they need a uniform level of spiciness for that food. It's easier for them to start with a bland pepper then add a specific amount of capcacin to bring up the spice to the required level. If they rely on cultivated jalapenos that are spicy, there's a range of heat depending on growing conditions, etc.
I thought they grew them to have no spice for standardization, then added capsacin so that they were always the same heat level?
Having grown jalapenos myself, it's an art. Happy plant, happy peppers. Keep the plant watered and healthy, the fruit comes out mild.
You can still buy the spicier varieties, though, right? So what's the problem?
I think there will be a lot of money to be made for someone who can create one thats spicy on the way in but not at all on the way out.
I'm so white that ghosts consider me pale, but I've never eaten food at a restaurant that's too spicy for me, and it annoys me every time I try a new place and I ask for "level 5 spicy" or whatever they call it on the menu and they're like "Okay - we start you out with a 2".
I know what I'm about. I want to burp in 2 hours and have my tongue start burning. Later this evening, I want to regret my life choices on the toilet.
I love seeing the variety in the takes on how bad "India hot" spice level is.
My limited anecdotal experience has landed my white ass firmly in the camp of "do not fuck with the flavors of back home."
My go-to core memory on that one is going out for wings with a group of friends a long time ago. We ordered a half dozen of whatever the place's ridiculous triple-atomic or equivalent was. I want to say 500,000 scoville and they give you gloves to eat it with. I think the deal was something like White Guy eats one of the wings and Indian Guy eats the rest, after the latter had claimed in a friendly way that they wouldn't be too hot.
Long story short, Indian Guy eats all available wings and licks his fingers like it's honey BBQ. He liked them and said yeah they do have some spice. White guy ruined the entire rest of his day and suffered for his hubris!
Most of the rest of us (I think all of us were additional White Guys) tried a tiny little piece of a wing or even just a half drop of the sauce. The spot where that little bit touched my tongue was numb and tingly for the rest of the day, lol.
Some people just shrug off that capsaicin.
Once upon a time, I was traveling in Thailand and went to a small restaurant in the middle of nowhere that mostly served tourists. There were two guys there who thought they could handle spice, so they told the waiter to bring them something spiced for Thai locals. He tried to discourage them, and offered to give them something that was really spicy for westerners, but they insisted that they wanted what locals eat.
When they received their dish, they couldn't even manage a single bite. I could overhear them, and they were convinced that the waiter was playing a joke on them, so when he came back they asked him to try it to see if it was good, trying to catch him out. The waiter had a few bites, said "yeah, tastes good", asked if they needed anything else, and when they said no, just went on to help his other customers. The tourists were just gobsmacked.
I know my limits, and decently high for "The West", but it's nowhere near the limits of a Thai person who likes spicy food. And, I know enough to know that when I'm on vacation, I want it even less spicy than normal. If I get something ultra spicy at home, I might have to spend some unpleasant time on the toilet. But, at least it's my own toilet. I really didn't want to be caught out in some rural Thai toilet or outhouse trying to process something that was too much for me and missing out on enjoying my vacation.
All the wing places near me are crap, they have Atomic it's not even tabasco hot. I don't know how, but even their fucking jalapenos are weak.
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