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It’s a gap year that common anywhere?
I took time off before university but I worked the whole time, mostly nights for the extra pay, and saved up a lot while deciding what I wanted to do. Is that what this means?
a gap year, especially common in much of western europe, is a year in between the end of childhood education(say US high school) and the beginning of adult education(say US university) where a young adult is encouraged to find themselves before choosing their exact field of interest or life path.
It is common in many countries.
That is a type of gap year yeah. The stereotypical one is obviously that of which someone goes on holiday for most of a year without any responsibilities but it's harder to do that when you don't have the money to support it.
Over here its very common to do your studies but you take an additional full year after the end just for your thesis. During the year people usually work, travel and do the thesis.
it is for college, some people take 1year off from school and then come back, usually changing thier majors, or even going to a different field. you dont want to be graduating with a degree you dont like, since you wont get financial assistance after you already graduated.
if you mean a gap year "from a job, like quitting it" that is abnormal, and usually indicates something deeper going on.
Not a thing in most of Asia that I know of, but it should be, I could have used a break from the rat race for a bit when I was younger and maybe put some real thought on what I want to do with my life
I get the point and I'm not criticizing it...
But are "gap year", "vacation", and "backpacking" not all the exact same category of thing?
More or less, but "vacation" also implies an additional expense beyond just missing work.
Gap year and backpacking, for most speakers of English, also refer to kinds of travel. Other countries have to have multiple words for "missing work" (jesus christ)
When a poor (most people) tells me they took a gap year, I usually assume that means that they got a job to pay for college. When a middle class person (entry level wealthy) tells me that they took a gap year I assume that means that they did fuck all until their parents forced them to get the fuck out of the house.
It's only when talking to actual wealthy people that I assume the gap year included backpacking or vacation.
Also when somebody says they spent their gap year backpacking, I don't assume that has anything to do with hiking or camping, but is more about spending a year not bathing and doing drugs with sketchy people in sketchy places.
The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have i.e., the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being.
— Karl Marx, Human Requirements and Division of Labour Under the Rule of Private Property
How is thinking, theorizing, loving, singing, painting, etc wastes my capital?
It's time spent not working.
Not a waste of capital though?
Labour is a form of capital.
So let's take a philosopher who works by thinking and feeling. And this by thinking, feeling and doing other things he's increasing his labor potential. What am I missing?
...the actual labour? Philosophers aren't paid to just sit around thinking, it's only once they put the labour into publishing their thoughts that they get paid (possibly).
Right but the moment of publishing is the last stepin the long, tedious thinking and analysis process. Without it there will be nothing to publish.
Anyways, absolutist statements hold no water, other news at 11.
I mean you're just arguing that thinking is labour for a philosopher. The statement remains correct. The philosopher is encouraged to think about publishable things instead of just for the freedom of thinking.
Stretching the other way, painter who's not painting is wasting capital?
Yeah, if they're not doing some other form of labour. I really feel like you might need to spend more time thinking on the meaning of the quote if you're wasting time trying to find gotchas where things that can potentially be done just for pleasure are being turned into labour.
I went as far as reading it in original to make sure the meaning wasn't lost in translation but my questions remain unanswered.
The quote I think operates on assumption that there's a direct correlation between time spent labouring and financial outcome. In capitalist world we have here, this correlation does not exist universally. it's still possible to engage creatively, express yourself and be paid for it. Not for everyone, but still possible.
No, you definitely added that assumption yourself, it just talks about saving capital. You are assuming there is equal money to made in self expression as there is commercial execution.
In Australia your gap year is taken after high school, before university. Most people get jobs.
In the US some people take a gap four years and go to war. It's the American Vacation.
In Germany I've seen plenty of youngsters taking at least few months to travel after school.
In the UK it's similar, but they get "jobs" to top up the money mummy and daddy are sending. Most people can only afford to go straight into either university or the workforce.
hello, i've been traveling for 15 years and invite anyone interested by the implications of this meme to visit travel for information on how accessible the wider world is.
I don't think money is an entry barrier for most of those things. It is if you want to make any of those things a full time job.
The entry barrier is time.
Poor people must make money all the time so they don't have time to do those things.
That what op is talking about.
Swim, cycle, skate, play an instrument... These are all things people generally learn to do as a kid and require parents buying the equipment and/or access for you. A lot of poorer people can't swim because they have no place to learn how, and you can't do the others in you don't have equipment.
Why do you reply this to my comment?
Because its not just time. Kids have a lot of time, and sometimes poor adults have a lot of time too when they can't find a job or they are disabled. The things OP mentioned require money for equipment or access. Can't learn to swim when nobody around you has a pool and there's no public pool around. You can't learn to ride a bike if you don't have one.
Swim lessons are expensive too.
My town/school district takes the second grade to the YMCA for swim lessons as part of their gym curriculum.
I'd never heard of such a thing until we got the permission slip, but I thought it was pretty damn awesome.
Both my kids are way better swimmers than me.
We also have universal school lunches (and breakfast), and during the summer they give out free lunch to kids at the town pools, every day, no means-testing. And the town pool isn't that expensive to begin with (and also really nice), but they do have a sliding scale for that as well.
It's nice you live someplace that demonstrates so much care for those in need. Easy to argue it's not even the bare minimum but it's still much, much more than other communities. Do mind sharing the area you live?
As a kid I wanted to go to music school but we couldn't afford it because my single mother had two jobs and other three children to take care of.
I did free lessons at the community center, borrowed my first instrument and got library books. No one encouraged me to do it, I just did it because music was something I wanted in my life.
Now OK, that was me and I was just a kid with a lot of spare time right? What about adults?
Well, if I graduated while working full-time (and I'm not exactly "Good Will Hunting" level of smart) everyone can do something as trivial as learning basic Spanish if they want.
um. gap year. can't do that. you get enough gap years called unemployment.
How are ppl supposed to pay for bikes, skates, vacations, backpacking or instruments to learn? Maybe learning languages is pretty cheap, but that's about it.
Depends on how you define "poor" though. I'd say if you live paycheck to paycheck to just cover the basic survival-costs with nothing left to save, you're already fucking poor.
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