As I write this I literally have a script ( https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite ) running deleting all posts and comments I made so I can delete my accounts and leave them with nothing. The last couple of days they have been prompting people to provide identification documents to access their accounts. This is going to start becoming more prevalent on platforms. I always hated the site but that's crossed the line for me. So purpose of this post is just to give people a heads up while they still have access if they want to remove their data and / or delete the peice of shit from their life once and for all.

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[–] 17 points 2 months ago

I probably would've noticed if they hadn't banned me two weeks ago for unspecified "actions taken by my account" less than a week after I resurrected a sub for parents/caregivers of kids with a rare disorder.

So... Good riddance I say.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'd love to see some stats on the drop in active users after each of these sort of blunders they've pulled.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    you should all know that reddit can, and has, restored comments that have been "shredded" by tools like this so they can be used to train AI. they can obviously restore deleted content as well, because it's never deleted, just marked as deleted in the database.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    That's illegal under GDPR, if true

    If you have tangible evidence of this claim, please document it online and report it to the government

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    At the very least deleting a comment only removes your name and doesn't delete the comment/post. At least on my permabanned account.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    You should email their data privacy officer and request them to delete it under the laws of GDPR.

    Document it before and after and every correspondence.

    If your data isn't gone in 6 months, publish everything you've documented in a blog post. Post it here to Lemmy and email the government.

    They'll get fined millions or over a billion Euros. The EU doesn't fuck around with these violations.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Dropping redact here for if you'd like to take it a step further. This caches copies of all your comments and posts for you on your personal device while editing all your reddit interactions to unusable garbage.

    No more LLM training material

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Users are never allowed to delete anything. Whatever you submit is theirs for as long as they want to keep it.

    Hell, they grab whatever you type, whether you submit it or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    How did you learn about the typing? Somebody said the same thing to me about Lemmy when I first got here but for data transfer over the internet that would be crazy

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It's stupidly common and easy. Practically any text field can be made to capture and cache "unsent" data, because it's not actually a standard text field that only does POST when you submit, but rather something that is continuously polled (usually AJAX) and the data saved to whatever database tables they got set up for it.

    Wonders of scripting.

    NoScript will stop it, but then the platforms that rely on this bullshittery for ill, usually are the kind to try to force you into having JavaScript or worse enabled.

    Some examples of this I've seen/used in the wild:

    When I worked at a credit union, the last upgrade to the "online banking" towards Lumin(link to their marketing site in case you want to see their screenshots, almost no CU/Bank who uses them bothers to customize it) the then "hot and new" vendor platform that was hot then amongst digital banking solutions for small to midsize institutions, uses it on every text field.

    E.g. the search omnibar input from atop the accounts where you can search help topics, and the input from the fields around the FAQ sections (input meaning both sent queries and anything typed but not submitted) were all visible to the call center folks, with strings like "user typed 'how do I hide my 10k deposit through mobile banking' into [field name] but did not submit", as these were expected to be data for the reps to use in their servicing or whatever.

    Another (much bigger) example: The omni bar at Google.com specifically (and I have no idea how many in their Android apps, but given that they have more control there than over your browser I'd just assume every single one...Google Keyboard included).

    If you get yourself through all the trouble and effort to somehow arrive at search site unknown (your customized FF privacy fork is really fucking good or something) and for some reason need or allow scripting on their page and type ad targetty helpful info but never search...it's still gonna make it into whatever shadow profile they're prepping for linkage to the real you ASAP, and eagerly wants to personalize those ads with your unsent data.

    My own community writing website:

    It came bundled with a Xenforo add-on I used for some stupid feature I wasn't smart enough to do myself 5-7 years ago. I don't run any sort of ads or tracking whatsoever on my site, so it's pretty much useless.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Your deleted posts are still archived and actively being used to train AI and being sold to 3rd parties. Reddit has that data forever. All you are doing by deleting them is denying actual humans access to them.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    All you are doing by deleting them is denying actual humans access to them.

    Okay, and? Actual humans using Reddit still directly profits Reddit and reinforces its hegemony. OP is still making a small but direct impact regardless of how entitled you ostensibly feel to their work.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Just pointing it out to OP that deleting your posts isn't some magic "you don't have my data anymore" button. By all means, do whatever you can to hurt reddit, I just want people to understand what is actually happening when they click that delete button.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Maybe edit posts instead to garbage. They don't know and it can mess up AI training.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I left because the suspension and bans were for the most mild shit. It's not a site meant for children , yet they treat it like it is. I'm not trying to harass people or anything, but I should be able to type the word "ass" without a suspension or ban. Nanny site

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Welp, i was signed into old reddit, and now it’s flipped over to new. Fuck spez.

    And goddamn, but the ads are out of control.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    best bet is editing so its misinformation while looking similar in structure

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    There's also a Firefox extension that can delete everything. Set up is just a few clicks.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Thanks SCOTUS for making our lives SO much more difficult....that Paxton decision was the worst thing since the overturn of Roe.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    does it delete the posts in the backend?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Nothing can. Not for any website. It never has.

    Even if the site's platform wasn't set up with a simple and trivial to implement function(s) to undo posted changes on the front/back end interfaces, and even if it does allow the delete button to actually delete the entry from the database (to my knowledge, this wasn't even the norm before the corpo takeover of the web)...

    It's like, 2-3 simple SQL queries to pull a backup pre-the changes, and merge back in whatever form you want into the live database.

    This was always possible, since the day we started using DBs to better serve dynamic content.

    Again, this applies to pretty much any web property.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's illegal under GDPR, if true

    If you have tangible evidence of this claim, please document it online and report it to the government

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    That is illegal under GDPR, if true

    This statement is unfortunately doing a lot of work with the word “that”, even if I dearly wish it wasn't so. Like, I really wish it were that easy, it would even the playing field back to the non-corporate webmaster almost instantly.

    But alas.

    The GDPR doesn't have some special category where data only becomes data once you hit Submit. Article 4 literally defines “processing” to include collection, recording, and storage. So yes, depending on what the site is actually doing, it can absolutely be processing what you type before you submit anything:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_4/oj/eng

    But that does not get you from “they captured it” to “therefore illegal.” GDPR doesn't prohibit processing personal data; it regulates how and why you can do it. Article 6 gives six possible lawful bases for processing, including consent, contractual necessity, and legitimate interests (and it is bastardizing the spirit of how these six interconnect that these companies use to skirt intent of the law):

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_6/oj/eng

    The actually interesting question is what they're capturing, why, how long they retain it, what they do with it, whether they disclosed that processing, and what lawful basis they're claiming.

    That's where you can potentially have a GDPR problem.

    Article 5 requires, among other things, fairness/transparency, purpose limitation, data minimization, limited retention, and appropriate security:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_5/oj/eng

    And Article 13 requires the relevant information to be provided when the personal data is obtained. There isn't a magical “well technically the user never clicked Submit” exemption from transparency:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_13/oj/eng

    There's also a separate ePrivacy issue if we're talking about storing or accessing information on the user's device. Article 5(3) generally requires consent unless the storage/access is strictly necessary to provide a service the user explicitly requested:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62017CJ0673

    And this is where the details get important again, because regulators have explicitly recognized things like short-lived, first-party “user-input” session cookies for multi-page forms as potentially falling within that necessary-function exemption. See WP29 Opinion 04/2012:

    https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/files/2012/wp194_en.pdf

    That is a very different animal from silently retaining abandoned form contents indefinitely, sending them somewhere unexpected, profiling somebody with them, or reusing them for advertising.

    So if somebody actually wants to know whether their abandoned input was retained and what happened to it, GDPR gives them tools for finding out instead of having to speculate from browser behavior. Make an access request to the controller and ask what personal data they hold, the purposes/legal basis, recipients, retention period, and the source/context of the collection.

    They normally have one month to respond under Article 12:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_12/oj/eng

    If they don't respond, or the answer establishes something questionable, then you have something concrete to take to the relevant supervisory authority under Article 77:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/art_77/oj/eng

    The EDPB has the list of national authorities here:

    https://www.edpb.europa.eu/contact_en

    GDPR is leverage, not a magical force field that prevents a server from receiving bytes. The useful part is that it gives you a mechanism to make the controller explain what those bytes became, why they kept them, and what they did with them—and a regulator to complain to if the answers suck.

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  • I'm not saying it's illegal to collect or store.

    I'm saying that if you tell them to delete your data, they must delete your data. You have a right for your data to be deleted (unless you're a politician or some extreme case).

    So, if you told them to delete your data, and they kept it, then they broke the GDPR law. And if you can prove it, they're looking at tens of millions of euros in fines.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I really think it's nice that you're trying to contribute positively, but I'm also a little bit exhausted after watching people post these kind of tools from almost a decade. Because it gives people false hope, and it continues to underscore the false belief that this somehow has the result that you programmed it to have.

    You actually cannot remove anything. And reddit will just revert your posts... They'll all say "deleted user" but they will not show the "vandalized" comments they'll all go back to the way they were. The automated tools to detect/prevent people doing this damage on their way out have been in existence for more than 10 years.

    Literally the only way is to stop using the damn product.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The last couple of days they have been prompting people to provide identification documents to access their accounts.

    I know almost nothing about this, but from a couple quick searches, it seems they've been doing this for maybe a month or two to accts that seem suspicious, such as non-Reddit bots or spam accts, etc.

    I could be wrong, but so far it doesn't seem to be anything near a site-wide thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    People should seek to change their local laws to prohibit or severely limit this sort of things too, besides seeking alternatives. If only seeking alternatives, the person should soon run out of those too, if not even be considered a criminal for doing so.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    incase

    Not a word, my dude.

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