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[–] 48 points 2 months ago (5 children)

One thousand five hundred and thirty-two servings

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    So according to this it has 884 calories per 100g. So 1g has 8.84 calories, and 1/4 of that has 2.2 calories.

    So they can't even pretend to have rounded down to 0 from a fraction of a calorie. Apparently it's also loaded with saturated fats. Which tracks since it's, ya'know, oil.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The FDA lets anything under 5 calories to be rounded down to 0. It's a scam

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    What institution in your country ISN'T a piece of shit owned by Big Coconut Oil????

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    To be fair, caloric measurement is always an approximation. No two servings will ever have the exact same number of calories. Even if they did, different gut biomes will also feed on those macronutrients to different extents. Couple that with everyone having different metabolic rates, and 2 calories is indistinguishable from a rounding error.

    And the guidance from the FDA reinforces this. The reason this panel shows 0 instead of 2 is not because anyone screwed up or is trying to mislead; it's because any serving that provides less than 5 calories is supposed to be rounded to 0 per FDA regulation.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I could be wrong but I believe they can round to the nearest 5 calories.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    That would do it. If that is in fact how the law works then they are technically correct, if disingenuous on the calories at least.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, unfortunately, if that's a US label, that is how the regulations work. The FDA allows rounding to the nearest five. However, if it's less than five, they allow you to round to 0.

    (1) β€œCalories, total,” β€œTotal calories,” or β€œCalories”: A statement of the caloric content per serving, expressed to the nearest 5-calorie increment up to and including 50 calories, and 10-calorie increment above 50 calories, except that amounts less than 5 calories may be expressed as zero. Energy content per serving may also be expressed in kilojoule units, added in parentheses immediately following the statement of the caloric content

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  • [–] 80 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    Its a weird american thing I believe, since a serving size is so small that it counts as <1 calory.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yup, the "serving size" nonsense is a US corporate lobbied loophole which basically allows them to put whatever they want on their nutrition information.

    I wouldn't have expected anything else from the US "Corporations are people too" of A.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Avocado oil should have 884 kcal per 100g, therefore one serving of 0.25g would be 2.21 kcal. Why is that allowed to be rounded to zero?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's rounded to the nearest multiple of 10; it could be up to 5 (exclusively), and could still be listed as 0. It's why so many lower-calorie products are listed with a zero-calorie serving size in the US. I'm not sure about the specifics of regulations β€” if any exist β€” on selecting serving sizes; this particular example feels a little fishy to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Because they are allowed to do their own testing to determine caloric quantity and there is often some flubbing in the recipe during the testing. Kinda like how VWs used to have a different engine mode for emissions tests than normal driving.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Because it is 0g fat

    Edit: /s

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    They're multiplying by the 0.25g serving size, then rounding the 0.25g of fat down to 0g and calculating the calories from that? I can barely imagine the apoplectic rage this would have triggered in my experimental physics professor.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Supposedly this is why tic tacs, which are almost 100% sugar, can claim to be sugar free.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    In that case, they are using synthetic sweetener instead of sugar.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If a tictac has >200 pieces in a pack, and you claim serving size is 1, then whatever it is made of has >0,5% per serving. It could be made of radioactive waste and they could put 'a tictac cointains no radioactive waste' on the pack. The game is rigged.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    For "calories per serving", absolutely, but nowhere on the packaging does it say Sugar Free because that's a completely different claim that would be completely false.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you claim a tictac is one serving you can say a tictac contains no sugar. But you're right, it would be in a format like this image.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    And legally, they are right. One serving is very, very small, and therefore, one serving is considered to have no [whatever].

    Just like TicTacs. They are 100% sugar to a rounding error, but as the "serving size" is one TicTac, which weighs less than half a gram, it is legally considered "sugar free".

    Which tells a lot about the real value of "legally".

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The difference here is that I can reasonably believe the quarter second of spray being an accurate serving, but nobody has just one tictac.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Which tells a lot about the real value of β€œlegally”.

    Maybe, but it's also a reflection of the true usage in these cases. Okay, say they are legally required to list it as one calorie. That basically makes zero difference to how people consume these products - barring some sort of weird edge cases.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Saying that 0.25g of oil has 0g of fat is legally wrong. Or should be, why are they rounding down one number and not the other?? Numbers should legally be rounded to the same decimality or whatever as the serving size unit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    If the amount of [something] per serving size is below 0.5g, they can legally claim that the food is [something]-free.

    At least with fat, protein, or sugar. Although the food industry would probably lobby for this to apply to lead or cadmium, too. Or any other chemical used in UHP foods.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    In Europe (or at least in France), it's mandatory to put the nutritionnal informations per 100g. It avoids that kind of stupid things

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The downside there is that if it's, like, Marmite, you'll never ever eat 100g in one sitting. So, you have to do a bunch of math to figure out how much salt is in the actual smear you're using.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    We do have both on packages, per 100g and per serving, but we don't have anything wich is a nanogram per serving containing a couple billion servings in a bottle unless it's anti matter

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Its at least more accurate than the maths of trying to multiply by the purported zero on a can of avocado oil.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes. They should require a certain number of significant digits, as opposed to just the nearest integer. Although someone's saying that they actually let you round down from as many as 5 to 0, which is insane if true.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Yeah, it's rounding. Under a certain amount, it just rounds to zero. No one is actually using the recommended serving size. There should be legal requirements to always provide the information for the full amount in the package/container/bottle/whatever as well next to the other values (some countries at least sometimes do this).

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  • [+] 22 points 2 months ago* (8 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, here in Japan as well. I think really enforcing realistic serving sizes (no one is going to accurately do 0.25s) in labeling would also help the US.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    help the US

    The US people? Yes
    The US corporations? No

    Who do you think matters?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Then why not round the serving size?

    The label is true for a serving size of zero. At 0.25g, it's 0.25g of fat and 2.2 calories. The fat content is the exact same as the serving size and the calories should not round to zero. You literally can't use the label to figure out any of the numbers if you use different amounts. It's no different than not having a label at all.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    You must consider, the info here isn't random, it's legally required by the FDA or state regulator. They have to follow the guidelines for packaging labelling requirements precisely. When the serving size is very small, the numbers are misleading. But some manufacturers also use ridiculous serving sizes to fudge the numbers.

    Thats why in Australia, they are required to publish two or three columns of data. Per Serving (which can be skipped if the item is clearly just one serving), per 100g (even if the whole thing is less than 100g net, it makes figureing out percentages easier) and sometimes per whole package.

    I'm not going to eat 12 seperate portions over several days from this bag of chips just because it says that many on the bag. I know this. The manufacturer knows this. The regulator knows this. We all know I'm hoovering that bag clean in 20 minutes. So the manufacturer is forced to give me a number that is easily mathable so I can't hide the damage, even from myself.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You're correct, but the information they presented isn't misleading - it's straight up bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Well, what Agent641 left out is that manufacturers in the US are allowed to "round down" to 0 if the calories/amount per serving are below a certain threshold. So by claiming 1,532 serving, they can get away with saying the calories in each serving are tiny and write 0. Tick-tack uses this to claim 0 calories even though the are mainly sugar, simply by claiming a portion is 1 tick-tack. It's just another ridiculous US regulation no one wants to fix.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    It's zero calories per serving, of which there are over 1500 in that can. It's a rounding error. If each serving has say 0.2 calories, the whole can might contain 300.

    Also, "1/4 second spray"

    Are you using a fucking aerosol can of avocado oil? 🀨

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Sprays have their use cases for griddles and molds that need to be lubed.

    Not my daily driver for fats but I don’t see the problem.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    I suggest getting a reusable 2-in-1 spray/pour bottle. Saves a little money if you're buying two things of oil. If you're as frugal as me then you buy the oil from a discount store too.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The issue I have with plastic spray nozzles and units with oil is that they get gunky even if you clean them after every use. And most heads are not supposed run through the dishwasher. Which is highly impractical for us. For a while I bought a new one every year just to replace the top part.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Why not pump-based spray? I thought we were done with aerosols...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's not aerosol. It's just pressurized.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, technically it's an aerosol since it's a spray, but it doesn't use the harmful chemicals that ate the ozone layer.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's pretty good stuff. Plant based, easy to apply, higher smoke point than olive oil.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Avocado oil isn't the problem, but aerosol? I've never even seen that

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, the miracle serving sizes. Similar to how tic-tacs are advertised as "low calorie" when they're basically flavored sugar.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    You, too, are 0 calories if we eat you in small enough bites.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So it would take like 6.3 minutes of just holding down the button to fully empty the can ?

    I don’t believe it

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