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[–] 117 points 2 months ago (23 children)

soooo.... nobody is going to bring up to the judge how Google is adding many more steps to install software outside Play Store?

Do all apps in Epic store and Amazon App Store get an exception from this new rule or something?

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Our entire economic system depends on judges being 100 years old and knowing nothing about current technology.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Tell me about it. I'd kill for a presidential candidate who knew how to connect to a wifi network on their own, or attach a file in Gmail and send it.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    As I understand it, even apps distributed by other stores need to be registered with and pay Sauron Google.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    Do all apps in Epic store and Amazon App Store get an exception from this new rule or something?

    I just installed the one currently available app store (which frankly and beside the point, seems like garbage) and installing an app from it goes through the same process as, say, downloading an app from GitHub via the browser and being prompted to give permission to the browser to install APKs.

    I'm guessing it's going to run into the sideloading issue in 140 days, and at that time I'm (just) guessing they'll have cause to bring it to a judge to discuss it.

    I'd like to say that Google would see the writing on the wall and just drop the sideloading nonsense, but the process they implemented by order of the court seems like malicious compliance; it takes several extra steps to install an app store from Google play than any other app. That suggests to me they're not going to do anything in good faith and wait for the court to force them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    The one "currently available" app store where? There are many of them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The one you can install via Google's Play Store.

    It's literally the topic of the entire thread.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    The cases decision was about rival app stores in general. The bulk of those aren't on Google's marketplace.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Does everyone here have a paid subscription to The Verge? I'm on lemmy. There's never or rarely, a post here that isn't behind a paywall. Is there some trick I am missing out on?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Is there some trick I am missing out on?

    If the site shows you the whole article and then throws up some annoying popup that prevents you from reading it, it's almost certainly using JavaScript to do that. (This is most of them.)

    In these instances, disable JavaScript for that site. Google will help you figure out how to do that for your specific browser. Once JS is disabled, reload the page, if you haven't already.

    Slightly preachy sidebar: it's safer to browse the internet with javascript off and enable it only as needed. There are probably browser extensions for whatever browser you use to make toggling javascript for a specific site less annoying than digging into the site settings.

    Edit: some browsers have a built in "reading mode" that can circumvent these paywalls. Not always, though.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There is an advantage to app stores, they can update apps they installed without user interaction.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'd disagree that auto updates are really an advantage, however my point was that the upcoming changes to sideloading apps (which includes a 24 hour wait to enable sideloading) will probably apply to apps installed via third party app stores. I'm basing this on the fact that third party app stores seem to leverage the same mechanism as sideloading apps from other sources, like via the browser.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Auto updates are not always good. They often add enshitification new "features".

    One example I experienced. I stopped Duolingo from updating for months. Because the update removed the ability to get unlimited energy by joining a classroom. Now that its updated it sucks because I have the stupid energy system and can't just do lessons all I want, I am basically stuck at 2 per day.

    I can of course, subscribe, to get rid of this limit, but the subscription pricing and even ability feels incredibly obfuscated, which makes me want to now. I want to say its also a bit pricey.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I didn't say auto updates are always good and they should be enforced, it's just that if you want them you can get them by installing from an app store but not by installing from a browser

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I mean yeah I get that it's not okay to make it different, even though I also of course get that you want the user to be aware what they're doing.

    But still, come the fuck on Google.

    And come the FUCK on judges, don't let Apple get away with their walled-garden bullshit even harder than Google ever tried! Rake them HARD!

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    It's sad we have to rely on judges for this. There are two entire branches of government that can put an end to this any time they want. They just don't want to. Despite the people they supposedly represent definitely wanting it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Even more basic: Why are people just taking this? Why do so few people care?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    One of the great ironies of modern life is that people are often disinterested in the workings of the systems we build as a society, while those systems define so much of our lives. It takes time and effort and interest to learn these things, and most people lack at least one of those The folks here on Lemmy tend to be more plugged in than most people, but I'm willing to bet that there are areas where we have big blind spots in terms of the systems around us as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What would not "taking it" look like?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Swapping to a different operating system. Could be an Android fork like GrapheneOS, eOS, or something else. Could also be a Linux phone.

    Only the former is ready for primetime, and it is the option that I chose. Fortunately we will be able to buy a phone that doesn't give Google money in the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I do happen to run GrapheneOS on my phone, but I don't think it actually does anything to hurt Google, even ignoring the fact that GrapheneOS currently only supports the pixel line of phones.

    Running GrapheneOS is certainly more private, but as far as the Google Play Store is concerned, it's not really much different than owning any other Android phone and just not using the google play store.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    i'd be quite happy if people just stopped constantly fucking buying the latest phones and mindlessly consuming software slop.

    Buy used phones, disable as much nonsense as possible, don't sign in to shit, don't download shit apps, and maybe if there's some time left in the day make a post on social media about how the current situation sucks ass and google should be tarred and feathered.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago*

    Anyone go to jail, any business-crushing fines pushed on Google? No? Well gosh, it would appear it is acceptable

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Now do the same for Apple.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Meanwhile Apple's just over there ruling their walled garden with an iron fist and nobody seems to care.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    "And google ignored a judicial ordered and got fined 1€"

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