Abraham Lincoln didn't free the slaves Slaves fought for their rights and freed themselves.

Stop giving that guy all the credit for signing the Emancipation Proclamation, especially since he ordered the biggest mass execution against indigenous people in history.

Trump is a convicted felon and should've been disqualified from the election.

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[–] 51 points 3 months ago (10 children)

I see the point of the graphic, but I think everyone in a position of power should be held accountable for soliciting sexual favor from underlings. That goes hundredfold when you are the president of the United States and she’s a twenty year old intern.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Check out the You're Wrong About on Monica Lewinsky. Even she admits the affair was between two consenting adults. The scandal was not that Clinton abused his power but that he committed adultery (which is legal in all fifty states). Republicans at the time were arguing a man who couldn't keep marital commitments is not fit for office.

    Obviously by the time of Trump, they didn't care anymore.

    Of all the (many, many) sex scandals in state and federal politics (and coming out of the religious right), The Lewensky affair was incredibly benign. If they have an R next to their name, though, no-one cares.

    And then historical Presidents like Kennedy, FDR AND McKinley were far more scandalous.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago

    In the same vein,

    • Obama "drone strike king" did way worse than wear a tan suit. He assassinated gadafi, and holds (held?) the record for most deportations with reports of immigrant children in cages.
    • Biden had that whole rio grande fiasco where people were drowning everyday as he opened the asylum loophole which set T boy up for a win ( almost suspiciously efficiently, wouldn't you say?)

    Make no mistake, folks, the Two Party Mafia is corrupt all around.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Held accountable?

    Her name has been a joke for decades.

    She got dragged through the mud and they went after Bill for lying, not being a predator.

    In what way would you call it a win for anything except hypocrisy?

    The Senate didn't impeach Bill because Hustler magazine siad they had a list of all the Senators who'd done the same thing.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    This feels like you’re trying to accuse me of something, but if you don’t actually say it I can’t really speak to it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just pointing out that Monica was threated a million times worse by the 'pure' people than by Bill.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Seriously? Is this the hill you pick? “Other people were worse to than her boss who shoved his cock down her throat and also was the literal boss of the western world?”

    Dude. Fuck you.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    I found an infographic a number of years ago that listed the numbers of indictments & convictions by each presidential administration since Nixon. I think over 90% were Republicans.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    Clinton bombed a medicine factory based on weak/nonexistent evidence it was making nerve gas.

    Obama used drone strikes ten time more than Bush, to the point he felt comfortable making a joke about drone striking the Jonas Brothers.

    I'm not trying to "both sides" this. The two sides are not equal. But this type of post, that tries to pretend one side has no scandals, only makes the other side stronger. People see things like this and dig their heels in. They (justifiably) criticize things like this for not being impartial, and dismiss the people posting them as untrustworthy/unreliable.

    We shouldn't be playing these games. If you want to take them down, steelman them, and show that even at their best, they're worse.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, I still hold Obama accountable for the Disposition Matrix, escalating mass surveillance and not confronting the police state even after Ferguson.

    But these things all empowered the right to abuse those same institutions even more. Obama presumed they wouldn't be abused more extremely by Republicans, despite what we saw with George W. Bush bending norms.

    And then, after Trump's first term, Biden failed to dismantle any of those systems, leaving them in power for Trump 2.0

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Fuck every President. If they didn't cause poverty and inequality, they were courteous enough to ignore/allow it. I'm never convinced any act of humanitianism isn't a grab for nearly free advertisement.

    so everyone just sucks, then?

    Unironically - yes. The slave owners that started this doomed hell aren't special or different because their worldview predates modern fascism, and in some cases, they inspired it.

    .ml: YEAH!

    Fuck .ml too. I hate fake-communism as much as I hate fake-democracy.

    .ml: aw, fuck

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Abraham Lincoln didn’t free the slaves Slaves fought for their rights and freed themselves.

    Lincoln is the most pro-black president in history and it's not close. His personal prejudice and treatment of Natives are irrelevant to the fact that emaciation being a war goal was his decision and wasn't inevitable. It's easy to see how a lesser president (like Johnson) would've made peace with an intact slaver society.

    If you want to argue who the formally enslaved have to thank for their emancipation, I'd argue that the Confederates are the proximate cause. It was the slavers who started the rebellion that forced the issue. It was the slavers fighting for slavery that conjured fatal opposition that didn't exist before.

    I don't want to minimize the struggle enslaved people faced. But only a tiny number of enslaved or formally enslaved people even participated in the war. They certainly didn't rise up and overthrow slavery.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    GOP answer to everything: "let's bomb people"

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ooh, Ooh, "Potatoe: Democrat"

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Hating anyone who has an (R) after their name is nearly as bad as loving anyone who has an (R) after their name. I've never heard Abraham Lincoln called a "sleaze" of all things. You're going to lose most people on that one.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    Fuck ®, ©, and ™ !

    But seriously, when you go that far back in time it's important to make a distinction between "Republicans" and "conservatives." Conservatives have always been terrible, but Republicans haven't always been conservative.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Especially when, by the standards of that time, Democrats were also generally responsible for slavery, the Civil War, and a century of segregation to follow.

    You just can't compare politics from 150 years ago to politics today.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    But... my shrieking rage that all who came before me were literally Hitler! What will I do without it? Screaming at people online that they're stupid and wrong and also literally Hitler if they don't agree with my Righteous Rightness is all I have. :/

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  • [+] -22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    Abraham Lincoln was a genocidal racist piece of shit. He, together with almost every other US president in history, needs to be treated the same as trump or hitler. If you can't accept that you have some reading to do. In particular you can check out what Lincoln wanted all the "freed" (how white-savior of him, btw) slaves to do, and about the biggest mass execution in the US history.

    This is not limited to republicans. Democrat presidents are also almost universally genocidal war criminals. Maybe we can cut a tiny bit of slack for FDR, but even he put capitalist interests above those of workers and minorities.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Man, they were really right about lemmy.ml people.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I've seen two posts today that are just unhinged. Like I can't imagine the comments being written as actual verbal conversation at a BBQ or something because it feels like I'm being yelled at for not owning a time machine.

    Never noticed the ml people before. I partially agree with them but I don't think that'd be enough to stop them from lumping me in with the others.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    So then at the barbecue, I said to the American scum:

    Maybe those innocent people should haul a guillotine down to DC and loudly complain to those responsible for this mess instead of pointing fingers at other countries.

    Y'all get no sympathy from me. Take care of your fucking fascism problem. The second amendment is useful for more than shooting children in classrooms.

    It was normal af.

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  • [+] -5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    You all sound like freshmen who just had their first 101 level courses and are now experts on world history and rights and everything else, filled with righteous indignation and ready to scream at anyone who doesn't instantly tell you how right and brilliant you are. It's exhausting.

    I'm just going to block you and the rest of the shriekers. You can tell me all about your great victories over things that happened centuries ago in a few decades when you grow up and calm down a bit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Why Roosevelt? Is this part of the "Roosevelt only did those good things as a tactical move while serving big business" idea?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Is S&L an attempt at spelling SNL?

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I will do it simply, Fuck murika, fuck you all to let this dumb shitter be in charge twice!

    Fuck all of you

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