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[–] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If they know the social media algorithms are harmful why don't they deal with that? Like Facebook tried to see if they could just make people sad by tweaking their algorithm (they could) and no one faced consequences.

The answer is money and corruption, I expect.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    linux mint is based in ireland fyi

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I continue to believe that in the US, the First Amendment prohibits any level of government from requiring operating systems in general to implement any features whatsoever. Distribution of software, including operating systems, in source or compiled form, is covered under "the freedom of speech".

    If the government thinks this is just product regulation, then fine, but then the law should be limited to operating systems preinstalled on devices.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    How are they going to enforce that.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    There's a lovely feature of open source.... you can just change it however you like.

    I'm weirdly supportive. Putting walls between teens and boobs is the real incubator for future technical leaders. I would know.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    I’m weirdly supportive

    or you know ... lets not block the normal sexual development of kids into normal functioning adults by repressing their desires and punishing them thus turning them into weird violent psycho rapists...

    Here are some links to read on that topic:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault

    https://premium-papers.com/the-link-between-pornography-and-violence-against-women/

    https://www.utsa.edu/today/2020/08/story/pornography-sex-crimes-study.html

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32691692/

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I love that this sparked so much discussion. My point was creating obstacles to seeing naked people is a powerful motivator to learn how to overcome those obstacles, and depending, could result in valuable/marketable skills.

    That was not a statement against porn so much as an observation that the anti-porn crusade has inspired countless burgeoning software developers to uh... rise to the occasion.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I don't think his argument is that we should restrict anything, more so that circumvention requires learning, and is a great motivator. I definitely can +1 this from my own youth. Learning how to bypass well-intentioned internet protections on school computers so I could play flash games sparked an interest in technology that I may never have discovered otherwise.

    It's a weird internal conflict to know that my core is shaped by an experience I otherwise believe shouldn't exist in a reasonable society.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Access to the porn that appears on the internet has nothing whatsoever to do with normal sexual development. Kids don't need to know about anal prolapse videos.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    porn that appears on the internet = anal prolapse videos

    that says more about the kind of stuff you seek out than saying anything in favour of the point you're trying to make.

    I never saw anything like that before I was long past being a grownup and I had free access to the internet since I was a teen.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I saw two girls one cup very early on, along with Isis beheading videos and the fake pain olympics clip. You don't need to be into stuff to be exposed to it on the internet.

    With that said, censorship isn't an answer. It's a great way to promote tech literacy and cyber security skills in horny teen boys, but doesn't do much else besides be an excuse to increase the surveillance state at the will of capital.

    The only effective solution is terrifying (/s) so I fear that a nanny state may be the only alternative, because otherwise parents have to do the unthinkable: talk to their kids.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I think porn for kids is a huge mistake and a very bad idea for humans in general. It builds fantasies in kids’ heads that don’t happen in a normal relationship. Basically, they raise the bar too high for kids and set their expectations too high that normal sex becomes straight up bad.

    That of course doesn’t mean I agree with age verification. There has to be a better way to “protect the children” than fucking everyone else up.

    Edit: the fact that this comment now has negative votes scares the shit out of me.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I totally agree with you.

    I think porn became a replacement for nature.

    In the wild social animals see their parents or tribe or whatever you call that have intercourse in a natural way. When humans lived in tribes or small huts or one room peasant builsings it was normal as well, since the whole family would sleep in one bad. Way later, when christianity was used by aristocracy for control, came the concept of shame and hiding it as a way to create a larger percieved difference between the "higher class chosen by god" vs. the "animal like lowlives".

    So after taking that natural experience away, young people are drawn to replace it somehow (they are naturally curious and if you make something forbidden, they want it even more) and porn is commercialized to the point of being as addictive as possible by being over the top. Which is not good.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This is gonna make a database where you can know who are the children and directly target them with whatever you want.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Pritzker was an AIPAC board member so it’s not a huge surprise he’s among the first to rollout digital ID laws

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Not gonna happen ..

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    TempleOS in schools! /s

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  • 18 comments in c/linux@sh.itjust.works view that post
    [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    Hello, @sanitation@lemmy.today .

    Why does the title of your post say "operating system providers"? I tried looking for any operating system references in this article but could find none. I'm under the impression that this law applies only to social networking platforms, but I could be mistaken - I only skimmed it.

    Thank you.

    EDIT: Same with open source projects. I tried searching for "open-source" and "open source" on the page - to no avail.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    you need to read the actual text of the bill, not the sanitized PR blog post put out by the people pushing it who want to make it seem like it's a better idea than it actually is. don't ever take the word of a corporation or politician at face value.

    "Covered manufacturer" means a manufacturer of an Internet-enabled device, an operating system provider, or an application store.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I only reposted from reddit. heres is missing post body:

    Illinois Governor JB Pritzker has signed HB-5511 into law, requiring operating system providers to implement an age assurance system by January 1, 2028.

    The law defines "operating system provider" broadly, including commercial and nonprofit entities that develop or supply internet-connected operating systems.

    Source: https://gov-pritzker-newsroom.prezly.com/gov-pritzker-signs-nation-leading-legislation-to-protect-illinois-children-on-social-media

    Credit: @LundukeJournal

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    The law explicitly notes that news media, broadband service providers, email providers, and learning management systems are not covered platforms and are not subject to this law. ​

    There are scope limits all over the place in this law. It's still a terrible law, but whoever posted it on Reddit didn't seem to understand much of what they read.

    The real issue with it is the device level age verification.

    EDIT: Link to full text of the law.

    https://ilga.gov/Legislation/BillStatus/FullText?GAID=18&DocNum=5511&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=167486&SessionID=114

    EDIT 2: Looking at the text, a big concern would be for users of MacOS, ChromeOS and Windows because each require an internet connected account (AppleID, Google ID, Microsoft account). These types of account would require an age and ID verification mechanism.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    After reviewing the actual text of the law, I think the title of this post is false or at the very least extremely misleading by omission. I suggest editing the title or deleting the post altogether as to not spread misinformation.

    Still a.terrible law though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    But it's slippery-slope, camel's nose in the tent shit. Once you have a law like this, you have the money men pissed off that free OSs have a competitive advantage and they'll buy the laws they need to eliminate competitors entirely. You've also gone from arguing that age verification is a BAD IDEA to arguing free operating systems need an exception, which is much poorer ground to fight on.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    From page 7 of the bill:

    "Operating system provider" means a commercial or non-profit entity that controls the Internet-enabled device's operating system, including the design, programming, or supply of operating systems for the Internet-enabled devices.

    So it does appear Linux and other open source OSes would be included.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is it really internet enabled though if it doesn't ship with the WiFi drivers?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If I was lawyering this I'd say the device being internet enabled is what matters. But it's also mega bullshit because I know of toys that have "internet capabilities" that connect to nothing but the manufacturers hosts and only for update purposes.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Not quite. In order to qualify for that category, the device has to require an Internet account registration to function, ie Apple ID, Microsoft account, or Google account. So Macs, Win11+ and ChromeOS qualify, but not Linux.

    EDIT:

    I am curious about standard Android vs De-Googled versions like GrapheneOS.

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  • 9 comments in c/bad_internet_bills@lemmy.sdf.org view that post
    [–] 13 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I'm going to grab my bucket of popcorn and wait to see how they think they can enforce that. Sure, anything "sold" within state limits can be forced to do that.

    But fuck all stops people from grabbing ventoy and 100 different ISOs hosted outside Illinois and telling the state government to eat your asshole.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    This exactly why these laws are successfully being passed, because while you're munching away at your popcorn, Fascist will just seize your ventoys, computers, and assholes out in deathcamps.
    That's all it takes, inaction & compliance.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Not mine. I don't live in that fascist shithole.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    An opinion based article in a yellow "journalism" rag, owned by US based hedge funds highlighting the fact that literally anyone who ever communicated with Epstein in any way is in the Epstein files.

    And a Wikipedia article highlighting the extremely shitty and evil behaviour of some horrible police constables in one city of one province.

    I'm not sure what the fuck makes you think those in any way makes Canada fascist, but you do you bud.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    how about skip the age check and just provide these protections to all users?

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  • 2 comments in c/DeclineIntoCensorship@lemmy.dbzer0.com view that post
    [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Except this requires companies to implement OS-level age verification. According to the law, the OS has to ask a user their age when creating an account, then the OS has to implement an API that can be accessed via app stores or websites that provides a general age bracket that the user fits into (under 13, 13 - 16, 16 - 18, 18+). I'm a Pritzker supporter but this is awful legislation that opens the door to more intrusive age verification. And good fucking luck getting this to work on Linux/BSD systems or open Android ROMs.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Midwestern solidarity folks.

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