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[–] 48 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Calling it now. These "replaceable batteries" are going to be propitiatory and marked up like printer cartridges.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    So this is not the first time Logitech will have had a mouse with a replaceable battery. The Logitech G7 had a swappable rechargeable battery and it was great.

    But yes it was a proprietary battery, but you only needed 2. One in the mouse and one in the recharge station. Swapping them out was basically the push of one button. I would love it if they went back to that sort of design.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    They've had lots with replaceable batteries. I really miss my G604. You could swap the 2 AA's in about 10 seconds without even picking the mouse up. And they lasted forever. Alas the switches are shit and too much of a pain to replace.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I have a spare G604 in a drawer and my first one has new switches, a new scroll wheel, and a new 3D printed shell to replace the crumbling rubber original.

    It’s damn near perfect for me, especially the device switching button being so accessible. Getting it to work despite the planned obsolescence isn’t that much effort all things considered.

    I’ll admit the switch replacement surgery is unnecessarily complicated for a fucking computer mouse. Way too many interlocking parts. If you still have it in a drawer, I really think it might be worth looking into it.

    I’ve actually posted about it to where else but Dull Men’s Club

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Savage, but then a mouse would be uncharacteristically heavy with a standard barrel battery, right??. A button may work but nobody makes rechargeable buttons yet.

    I switched from my fancy pants Turtle Beach Elite 800X headset, the best of the best before Astro A40 and Arctis Nova Pro released, to a SteelSeries Siberia 800. Going from a dodgy, dying-battery premium headset to a midrange that comes with two batteries and more can be purchased was a (quite literal) game changer. So I can attest to Steelseries being great. Side bonus the batteries were coincidentally interchangeable with a few brands of Nokia but can't remember which ones.

    My point is, SteelSeries are a great brand and they make mice with interchangeable, AAA, batteries. Like the Rival 3. Now that I've found this mouse I'm actually kind of sad that I don't need a replacement. It's amazing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah I've been using wireless mice that take AAA's for years at this point. Thing is they last very long (maybe half a year) that it really doesn't matter all that much.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing made by "Turtle Beach" is the best of the best. Even their best stuff is barely good/great.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Oh yeah, I meant the most hyped headset of the time if I'm being accurate. In terms of longevity I bought one of their other headsets, it developed a fault after about 18 months (within warranty) and since it was discontinued they sent me an 800X replacement. It was great for gaming audio and stellar surround audio -- felt I was cheating with hearing footsteps so well in MMOFPS -- but the headset lasted 9 months before dying. After that I got SteelSeries for the convenience, and well I still own them and just need to source 3D printed earcup hinge pieces because the plastic broke. Otherwise they're perfectly fine. Also bought new batteries

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I've been using rechargeable AAs in my G602 for almost 2 decades. There's absolutely no need for proprietary bullshit to be involved when it comes to powering a mouse. Even the shitty little inland one I carry around in my work bag takes a AA.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I wouldn't be surprised if they take something like a standard CR2 sized lithium rechargeable and stuff it into a proprietary plastic shell. Solely to screw over the customers who need replacements (at high cost direct from Logitech), but won't be bothered to design their own battery to optimize capacity for the available space.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    nah, they will be off the shelf cells in a sonic-welded case.

    And whatever will I, and my Dremel, soldering iron, and 3d printers, do? oh no!?

    Let them screw around. they are just teaching consumers how to replace brands entirely.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    nah, they will be off the shelf cells in a sonic-welded case.

    Yeah, that's what I said. 99.5% of mouse customers are not going through that trouble.

    Let them screw around. they are just teaching consumers how to replace brands entirely.

    That's what ran HP and Cannon out of business isn't it?

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    Mice don’t need sealed in batteries. What the hell…

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    I wouldn't buy a cordless mouse that couldn't use rechargeable AA's or AAA's. Consumers really need to take control, these companies deliberately create ewaste.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I bought Keychron keyboard because it can be used wired or wirelessly. Why can't mice do the same? I don't see many options at all for that.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Game controllers can generally be used that way too, so you pose a good question.

    The only logical answer might be because they want to create waste, and consumers have not demanded that they offer corded/cordless mice.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Yeah I wanted a keyboard with wired + bt and the 2.4ghz option was a bonus. It can connect to 3 different devices easily. I bought the 8bit controller so i can use it on two separate devices with with the dongle and bt.

    So where are my mices with the same setup?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I'm on my 2nd set of switches on my current mouse from ~2010 because I can't find a new one with that and a button layout that is as good. It's insane to me that no one has made a viable replacement since then.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Eh, I just have the mouse cable/charger on my desk connected to the 2.4ghz receiver, super quick to just plug it in while in a game, no need to go find unused batteries.

    Though i must admit, mice using AA-batteries can last like a year, right? Which is pretty cool though.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I use corded, have previously used rechargeable AA mice though, it's not an issue and you don't have to worry about the built in battery ever being the problem with the mouse.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    Same here, for some of my mice and for a bunch more of things - for example a old pair of noise reduction headphones I have uses a single AAA battery.

    It's only with a few years of you use that you really notice the great advantage of rechargeable AA/AAA batteries over custom format rechargeable batteries - when they invariably loose capacity after many recharging cycles, it's stupidly simple to replace the AA/AAA batteries (and if you're lucky the technology has improved in the meanwhile, so the newer ones are actually better) but not so for the custom format ones.

    That pair of noise reduction headphones (which I bought for work and are now used at home for gaming) are maybe 15 years old by now and gone through 3 or 4 generations of rechargeable batteries.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Why? I really want one I dont have to think about again. USB c charging.

    Hell I wish they would make a mouse that recharges from movement and clicking.

    Logitech have a solar keyboard that is allllll I want.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Batteries do not last forever.

    These dodgy companies have it far too easy with apathetic consumerists. No wonder the world is on fire.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Ah jesus as if its that simple, one size doesnt fit all.

    I am all for consumer regulations, I just have a preference for what I am currently looking for. A solar keyboard is niche and cool.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Options. Your preference is fine honestly. Options simply don't exist though. That's the problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Why do you believe good options don't exist?

    Demand creates supply

    Apathetic consumers get trash

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    I did that thing called "look for options" and came up completely empty.

    And we live in a supply side economics world so not really.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    You live in a supply side economy due to choice.

    The people have the power, they just do not have the will.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    There are things much more important than your preferences

    If it was all just about my preferences, we would all be using corded... better, simpler, less waste.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    And consumer tech would never progress.

    Trying things is good R&D is good. Bringing things to market is good. If it is wasteful address it but outright banning is a bit heavyhanded. Stick an ewaste tax on it and mandate that no matter what the minimum price difference between the models has to be the value of that tax.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Non-replaceable batteries are bad, but they are far form new, they have already been tried and are known to be deliberately anti-consumer, which is why the eu is doing something about it. Every single person does not need to buy ewaste for something to be known as ewaste.

    Consumer tech would have progressed a great deal more if consumers had standards. At the moment it has just gone from bigger number better, to put ai in the name. Tech is meant to be better than that, sustainability is a massive part of long term viability due to finite resources.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I absolutely refuse to buy any small gadgets using rechargeable batteries. I buy either wired, or using standard AA/AAA batteries. I am seeing the similar trend in pocket and tabletop radios, which is an absolute nonsense.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And you can get rechargeable AA and AAA batteries

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Exactly! Using proprietary battery shapes and sealing them inside the devices benefits only the manufacturer - everybody else loses. I also can’t believe the bullshit excuses they use to justify this: “open designs can’t be waterproof” (yes, they can), “sealed cases are thinner and lighter” (by a fraction of measurement nobody can even appreciate in daily use), etc.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago

    I prefer mine with a cord. It looks like there are still plenty of wireless mice available that use AA batteries. Eneloop batteries work great for those.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    No, following the law not Nintendo

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Following Nintendo as in "removable only in EU, fuck the rest of the world".

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    Fuck the US for not harmonizing this law for the benefit of their consumers

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Unfortunately we just don't do that. In Europe they call them consumer protections. Here we call them "regulations" and complain endlessly about how they hurt business

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Uh, no. There's some small minority of companies that complain that regulations hurt businesses.

    But the vast majority of people want regulations.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Your father didn't spend much time screaming at Fox News growing up, I take it. Lol.

    That's like saying there is a "small minority" of Americans who were willing to vote for a known rapist, pedophile, and convicted felon. It's a big enough group.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Sounds like you have a bias. Most people aren't like that, only 20-30%

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It sounds like I understand the right wing quite a bit.

    My dude, we elected a man who just was forced to pay out for sexual assault and defamation. Things are not as good as you seem to think.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The US is not a democracy. Trump has very little support.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I hate not living in Europe

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Take note everybody, these are the companies that care more about profits than their consumers.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    My mice have always had the grip fall off long before I experienced any battery issues.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Is this even a large number of mice in the USA? Every wireless mouse I’ve bought has a normal battery…

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Only the very low end in my experience use AA or AAA. Which one do you have?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Good, it's a start.

    Now if only they manage to prove they'll stop their spyware/bloatware bs I might consider buying something from them. But I'm not in a hurry.

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