Indeed, that will be hard. However, it seems to be necessary to have a depression (and perhaps even a civil war?) to reduce the power of the Epstein class and change the mindset of the American people. As a non-American, I see Trump more as a symptom. The real problem seems to be the American political system in general, and the morality of the people.

With this government, America has tried to be above everyone else and acquired power and wealth in a completely immoral way. Perhaps it can be understood that the rest of world doesn't care if the US burns down at this point, even if it brings economical losses. It's karma.

What's the alternative? Keep it as it is? Pop it later when it grows more and causes an even bigger catastrophe?

I get it, but at the same time, do we always have to let key douchebags be "too big to fail" and endlessly support their choices no matter what?

This time around, I anticipate massive inflation as they just try to print their way out of it. That's the sort of financial disaster that seems to be a bit more on-brand for our current leadership.

The biggest risk would be the bubble holding together and the democrats getting into power, only for it to blow up in their face immediately.

While they might deal with it a bit better than trump, the damage he is already doing could tie their hands a lot.

We all know the right would get decades of mileage out of "look look, it was all awesome under trump, then the democrats broke everything".

economy to the brink

bubble burst

going to decimate the US

Please, stop, I can only get so wet

On a more serious note I think not only will this happen at some point, there is no way to avoid it. Either capitalism continues unchecked until we wipe ourselves out, or we fight to replace it. Even if we do keep capitalism and somehow don't wipe ourselves out it naturally creates a cycle of societal abuse so these bubbles and depressions will continue

I think of hill climbing algorithms a lot. Basically you look in your immediate vicinity and if you see something better you go that way, and you keep doing that until every direction you look is down meaning you've reached the top of your hill. The problem is you can't necessarily tell if you're at the highest peak or not just that you're at a peak. To get out of that local peak and to something better you have to go downhill. Most systems that seek incremental improvements have this problem. I think we did the peak capitalism already and it is time to go downhill in search of a better peak. "It gets worse before it gets better"

In my opinion, the best we can do at this point is prepare for the global shitshow as best we can. Build community, move away from capitalism and the US, then try and stay course toward something better while it is going to shit around us. It would be great if we could prepare enough to prevent as much suffering as possible but we've gotten backed into a corner and are on a very serious timer before the planet is broken for good; so I don't know what the balance is between preparing and ripping off the bandaid

It’s a weird one for me, because it feels inevitable anyway, and I’m at the point where I just wanna get it over with 🫠

Actually I'm not so sure about North Korea.

This is a "law" I just made up but: in any crisis the poorest are the worst effected.

NK does have some trade with China and Russia, and they receive aid from places. I presume the ruling class supports itself through offshore investments and so on.

I find your comment insulting to orangutans. They are a kind and emphatic species of primate beloved by my country. They are only unfortunate to share the same colour as another, far lesser primate that loves pushing buttons.

Otherwise I do wholeheartedly agree.

It's funny how countries that have taken steps to shield their exposure to America's race to destruction have been branded as villains on the world stage.

At this point I'll gladly bake oat bannocks over the burning ruins of the US economy to survive.

We (EU citizens) / you're fucked either way. No reason not to wish those assholes do hit the bottom hard. Wishful thinking is that maybe at some point someone involved even is accountable.

But letting everything just run on as is is a very very slow painful death and while the pop hits hard, it's moving on.

Aka fail fast!

unfortunately the size of the US economy means that will flow onto the rest of the world

Yeah, yeah, we'll survive, just lance the fucking boil

The wound must be lanced and purged lest infection set in.

Now: as a Canadian, if we must amputate....I think I know where I'd tie off.

At this point it’s deserved. We voted for it to happen and I don’t really see any other way out of this shit to right the ship. Call me an accelerationist, but this is the fastest way we can achieve New Deal 2 electric boogaloo.

Maybe the metaphor of a dying star is apt. Before it dies, like our sun, it will become a red giant, destroying everything around it before it will live on as a neutron star.

TIL swingeing is a word, and with a very separate meaning from swinging. It just looks weird and feels like swinging should be the actual correct one but that spelling seems to be pretty specifically for the polygamous sex stuff.

AI is taking all the oxygen out of the room for anything else to survive right now. It has to die so that what remains can live. There is zero investment available for anything else.

Us, they'll never get another chance to lose our money like this again