There always have been various warrantless searches at the border, but recent political chaos shows how easily that slides down the slippery slope toward fascism
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LOL, that land of the free
What a joke
It's the freest land in the world as long as you're rich and white.
Is it really? I mean, just being rich opens doors everywhere... what can a rich white man do in the USA that they cannot do in Dubai or the UK or Spain? eat shittier food? gamble in piss-soaked Vegas?
Rape and murder kids, apparently.
US propaganda for itself is like a heavily marketed brochure for the world's worst theme park.
America isn't like this because Trump is president.
Trump is president because America is like this.
Its both to some extent. Removing trump won't fix the core issues but will stop the bleeding. Just look at how he's still trying to get tarriffs in. That's not a popular decision, even among MAGA these days. But it's a cult.
Put it another way; cigarettes aren't your core issue, but it sure does help a lot to stop smoking.
Correct. Remember Mr. Hope and change? Well he was more to the right than Colin Powell. He would have kneecaps Social security if there wasn't a group of Tea party that couldn't be seen working with him.
Remember Mr. Hope and change? Well he was more to the right than Colin Powell.
Some of us are old enough to remember the Obama years (and Powell). This shit is just an outright lie.
He would have kneecaps Social security if there wasn’t a group of Tea party that couldn’t be seen working with him.
Outright lie.
Obama was a milquetoast, liberal disappointment. But how about getting your message across without blatant, absurd lies? Have you tried that yet?
Are you interested in educating people about Obama's deficiencies, and how to avoid them? In showing people that he was a disappointing, capitalist, center-right president?
Or are you just interested in making stupid shit up instead? Because the latter tactic unquestionably undermines completely any valid argument you may have had.
By making it a shithole for vulnerable people and then not doing anything to actually make it better?
Exactly. I’m so damn tired of many USians assuming that Trump created this madness from scratch in 2016. They have to read their own history….at least glance at it.
Yep it’s an authoritarian people that put in an authoritarian state. The war on drugs got us far, and the USA PATRIOT Act got us further. It’s completely bipartisan.
There are no true and viable classical conservative or libertarian parties in the US.
Unfortunately, with many peers in Europe at this stage. They were ok for a while when the memories of the war and later the east German police were fresh, but people eventually begin to demand perfect safety at any cost. And the cycle repeats.
I’m profoundly ashamed of being an American
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, maybe.
Even before Trump border control officers already had way too much power.
I worked for a company that considered the US border only second to the Chinese border in terms of a risk to confidential information. If you went to China, you had to sign out a special laptop that was wiped clean of anything confidential. Going to the US, you were allowed to take your own work laptop, but they had special briefings detailing what to do in various situations to try to keep the company's data confidential while complying with the warrantless searches at the border.
What it comes down to is who cares. In this case, the general public doesn't care. The TSA / Homeland Security wants to be seen to be doing everything possible. At first it was about terrorism, then it became about child sex abuse imagery that apparently people were going to take across the border, unencrypted on their work laptops. So, the boundaries of what was reasonable to search for just kept getting expanded. A few civil rights orgs. and people who cared about privacy tried to push back, but even though they cared a lot about this issue, the general public didn't care, so Homeland Security got even more rights to search.
IMO it's the same reason why the US is essentially the only country that does citizenship-based taxation rather than residency-based taxation. The vast majority of citizens don't care because they never work outside the US. The government cares because it's free money, and sometimes they get to take money from mildly rich people who try to evade US taxes by moving to a tax haven. But, the vast majority of people who have to deal with these taxes are low and middle-income people who have dual citizenship and live in Canada, or are Americans who took a job overseas. They all hate having to file these taxes, and think they're completely unfair, but it's just too small a group for the government to care about.
Meanwhile we have employees regularly traveling to China with their usual work laptops, because the C-suite doesn't want to listen to IT recommendations when it stops being convenient.
"but if you have nothing to hide it's not a problem" says A LOT of people. It's so irritating to hear when I'm like, it only gets worse from here.
What would qualify as a problem?
We’ll tell you right after we make one up.
Whenever someone says something like this, I bring up Daniel Shaver. On his hands and knees begging for his life and shot buy a cop with "Your Fucked" engraved on their assault rifle. Shaver had "nothing to hide" and they murdered his ass anyway. No one is safe.
Seems more appropriate to search the agents' phones for evidence of domestic terrorism.
Always turn your phone off before crossing borders. Use a strong passphrase, never biometrics
They wonder why tourism is dropping
To illustrate with just one small example: all recent negative reviews of Yosemite National Park on Google Maps complain about the $100 non-citizen fee to enter. Teddy Roosevelt might be pissed off enough to climb out of his grave.
welp thats the end of that, I will never cross the border again to dumberikkka
forensic software that plugs into a device and downloads its entire contents for search
That is, entire encrypted contents. Good luck.
To be clear, could I be denied entry into the country for simply refusing to give my phone's password?
If you aren't a citizen, yes. If you are a citizen they can't deny you entry, but they can hold your device for a period of time.
Does this also allow searching of a tablet or computer?
Because I could easily use a small tablet with cell connectivity and that isn’t a “phone” per se. Or even just have a hot spot.
You'd be cuffed and on a plane to El Salvador before you can even finish saying "well actually it's not a phone, it's a small tablet"
Does anyone have a good recommendation for the stupidest possible flip phone?
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