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The angst over China's latest AI models is missing an important business fact: "open weight" AI is not the same thing as open-source software.

Open-source software, where the code is freely shared, can be an amazing business. Think Red Hat, which IBM bought for $34 billion. Open-weight AI models are different — and, so far, they're proving to be a terrible business.

Take Z.ai, also known as Zhipu. It's publicly traded, so we can see its finances. Last year, the Chinese company lost almost $500 million on revenue of about $107 million.

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Zhipu is the lab behind GLM 5.2, an open-weight AI model that wowed the industry when it launched last month. You might expect the stock to have soared. Instead, Zhipu shares have plunged more than 40% over the past month.

MiniMax, one of the only other independent Chinese AI labs that's publicly traded, lost $250 million last year on revenue of just $79 million. Its shares have fallen more than 50% in the past month.

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Open-weight AI isn't open-source software

The key difference comes down to economics.

Software can be distributed almost for free. Once it's written, sending another customer a copy costs practically nothing. Profit margins improve as software companies grow.

AI doesn't work that way. Every answer requires expensive chips, electricity, and data-center capacity. The next unit of software is nearly free; the next unit of intelligence is not.

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Moonshot AI, another Chinese lab, illustrated the problem last week. Its new Kimi K3 open-weight model impressed the industry with frontier-level performance. But days after launch, the company had to halt new customer sign-ups because it didn't have enough computing power to run the model.

If Moonshot were selling traditional software, adding millions of users would be relatively easy. Instead, every new customer increases the company's infrastructure bill, capping its growth.

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Someone else captures the profits

The way open-weight AI models are run, a process known as inference, makes the business situation worse.

Open-weight AI labs give outsiders their models' trained numerical parameters, allowing them to download and run them. (Parameters are like tiny numerical dials inside a model's brain that determine how these systems learn from data and what outputs they produce).

After that, these models are usually run by other companies, such as cloud giants Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Oracle, and Alibaba. There are also specialist providers such as Fireworks AI and Baseten, although they largely rent capacity from the big cloud companies.

Companies can also download these open weights and run the models themselves. Or, they can also use the Chinese model maker's own inference service, but in the Western world, most corporate customers don't do that for data security reasons.

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Only that last option reliably generates real revenue for the model creator. In the other three cases, the AI lab that spent hundreds of millions of dollars building the model may receive little or no ongoing revenue.

That leaves the model makers in a difficult position. They've paid heavily to train the systems, then given away the key assets.

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No wonder Alibaba's stock is up about 13% over the past month, while AI labs Zhipu and MiniMax have been crushed.

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"Unlike open-source software, open-weight models do not generate significant sums of revenue by selling support, services, and enterprise editions around the free offering (the Red Hat playbook)," William Blair's Bhatia wrote.

"Instead, they primarily generate revenue by hosting the model and selling inference compute. But inference workloads will flow to whoever can operate the inference infrastructure most efficiently, and this is usually not the model provider," the analyst added.

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Raimo Lenshow, an analyst at Barclays, recently came back from China after researching the country's AI sector. He reached a similar conclusion.

"Intense domestic competition has also led to more aggressive pricing competition," the analyst told investors. "Some major models remain open-source or open-weight, accelerating the pricing pressure throughout the system. While this helps drive faster commercialization, it is also adding uncertainty to long-term profitability for those AI labs."

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So why give the models away?

Open technology has long been a strategy for challengers trying to catch market leaders. A late starter may not be able to match a leader's customers or distribution, but it can spread its technology widely, attract developers, and make the leader's product harder to sell at premium prices.

That may be exactly what China and its AI labs are trying to do. Open-weight models put pressure on OpenAI, Anthropic, and other US leaders by offering capable alternatives at lower prices. Even if the Chinese labs make little money themselves, they can force American competitors to cut prices and make it harder to recover the billions they spend training new models.

Bhatia said Chinese labs may be releasing open-weight models with "little regard for near-term profitability." In his view, openness can turn advanced AI into a commodity, weakening the business model of US companies that keep their technology closed.

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The financial payoff for the Chinese labs may come much later — or may be less important than the broader strategic benefit to China.

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[–] 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Take Z.ai, also known as Zhipu. It's publicly traded, so we can see its finances. Last year, the Chinese company lost almost $500 million on revenue of about $107 million.

OpenAI lost $21 billion on revenue of $13 billion in 2025, so I'm not sure why the author thinks American AI firms are any more sustainable.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago*

    Yeah, it's not exactly teeming with novel insight - they summed up the whole article in a single paragraph themselves.

    Open-weight models put pressure on OpenAI, Anthropic, and other US leaders by offering capable alternatives at lower prices. Even if the Chinese labs make little money themselves, they can force American competitors to cut prices and make it harder to recover the billions they spend training new models.

    Which isn't like... news. Everyone reasonable has been screaming about the risk for a year now. It's somewhat heartening that such hardline bootlickers are repeating the bleedingly obvious, I suppose? But we're way past where this doesn't collapse the entire economy when the bubble pops so it doesn't really matter.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This article is poorly written and lacks coherent English.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Open models will be pretty good for the average person once the market is flooded with cheap GPUs from all the bankrupt AI companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    All AI isn't sustainable. Chinese, American, it does not matter who's making it, it's all a house of cards propped up on fake money and delusions of grandeur, the only difference is whose delusions.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    In his view, openness can turn advanced AI into a commodity, weakening the business model of US companies that keep their technology closed.

    And capitalism defenders can't have that...

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    And capitalism defenders can’t have that…

    What do you understand by 'capitalism' and what has it to do with this issue?

    What China is attempting here is - amongst others - a shift towards a neoliberal system that will financially benefit a few at the expense of the mass (just look at the wealth and income inequality that has extensively increased in China in the recent decade and now reached U.S. levels, surpassing EU levels).

    Open source should aim to make software a public good, not a commodity.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    LLMs are de facto commodities as nobody can really create them without breaking existing copyright laws or enormous amount of capital. China forcefully breaking closed ecosystems is a good thing even if China's goals are selfish. The models being open weight make them a good baseline for any other open source project which can have public good in mind.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    China’s goals are selfish ... a good baseline for any other open source project which have public good in mind.

    How does this make sense? There is no open source. As China is 'selfish', as you say yourself, how can this be a 'good baseline for any other open source project which have public good in mind'?

    What do you understand by ‘capitalism’ and what has it to do with this issue?

    You are contradicting yourself over and again, the only consistent thing is the positive frame of China. This is just Chinese propaganda and makes no sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    You either misunderstanding on purpose or have no idea how LLMs are created.

    What do you understand by ‘capitalism’ and what has it to do with this issue?

    Entire US stock market is held up by a "promise" that "AI" spending will payoff sometime in the future despite them being in so much debt that banks are projecting it to reach $1 trillion by 2028 just from data center construction.

    Capitalists need endless money infusion to keep the "promise" alive and China's open weight models that can be run ~130 times cheaper and at the same or better quality now break that cycle. If they can't compete the promise is broken and investment stops and the bubble bursts leading to government bailouts that tank economy for working people.

    It has everything to do with this issue.

    You are contradicting yourself over and again, the only consistent thing is the positive frame of China. This is just Chinese propaganda and makes no sense.

    No, I'm consistent. My world view doesn't consist of X country is bad or X country is good. I say positive things about good things and say negative things about bad things. E.g. I'm very critical of China's digital and metropolises surveillance, while I praise their economic socialism. You just can't comprehend that because for you "China is bad" full stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    This is a dumb argument. Even if the training was purely deterministic and ordered exact recipe, instead of a mishmash of coordinating with GPU rentals, it would cost $Ms to "compile". Final published LLM weights are a sequence of happy accidents, initialized from random numbers. Open weights let you adjust/fine tune the model to your/humanity's advantage more effectively/efficiently than spending months of GPU hours with a very large dataset to recreate it. There does exist some crappy open recipe LLMs if you need purity.

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    [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    Software can be distributed almost for free. Once it’s written, sending another customer a copy costs practically nothing. Profit margins improve as software companies grow.

    AI doesn’t work that way. Every answer requires expensive chips, electricity, and data-center capacity. The next unit of software is nearly free; the next unit of intelligence is not.

    Software runs on fairy wishes, apparently. No chips or electricity involved.

    Local models run on your own CPU and GPU - like a video game. This fearmongering bullshit article keeps yapping China China China as if the American models and companies aren't orders of magnitude worse. Worse about training, worse about inference, worse about money set on fire. Business fucking Insider is not taking a grand stand for software freedom. They're just doing that one Tom Gauld comic for 'our magnificent technical infrastructure' versus 'their hardware-devouring server farms.'

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    This the kind of shit that someone that doesn’t like china would say. They are doing the shit that us companies should be doing but got to make that money.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    I mean it's not like 'closed' AI is an especially great business.

    If Moonshot were selling traditional software, adding millions of users would be relatively easy. Instead, every new customer increases the company’s infrastructure bill, capping its growth.

    This is just how software service companies work?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It does seem like the open-weight models don't have easily monetizable adjacent money streams like support and services, best they have is inference cost. But the whole point of the open weights is that anyone else can come and take that part from them. It's a tough place to be in if the goal is only profitability. But since AI was declared a national security thing here in the US, the strategic value of ensuring we don't end up dominating global AI is probably worth it. And a steal at the 500mil per year loss they claim.

    I do wonder what sustainable future looks like for an open weights lab, once we're past this wackiness. A very well tuned harness? That's kind of its own product. On-prem seployment support?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I do wonder what sustainable future looks like for an open weights lab, once we’re past this wackiness.

    Massively lower costs, for starters. It did not take a trillion dollars to get here. That's just what they spent. Mostly to minimize competition.

    Some recent news suggests training can stop for deep networks, early on, and then only modify the middle layers. I feel like we would've tried that a lot sooner without the infinite money glitch. Between that and the idea that big models are only an efficient way to discover small models, the obsession with scale and scale alone has held back experimentation.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Hurray for China to help pop the US AI bubble.

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    [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    This sounds like a rant from an openai investor that there is someone who offeres his product - which is roughly the same as the author's (financer's) product - for free for anyone who is willing to host it himself.

    Open source is good and not a bad business idea. Open weights is better than fully closed source. Share stuff that you can share and work together, not against each other.

    Do I praise chinese products? No. But chinese is not worse than american products from an european perspective nowadays.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    the article is kinda bs two because it harps on open weights like its the only thing. They pretty much release everything but the full training data and we all know for a fact why they and all other ai companies are not going to release that. because its filled with ip they don't have the rights to. none of them are going to admit that.

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    [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Growthfroth often reshapes business strategies quickly.

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