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The release of Moonshot AI's Kimi K3 and Xi Jinping's diplomatic offensive mark a pivot in China's global AI strategy. Unable to match the United States in advanced semiconductor manufacturing due to stringent export controls, China is leveraging its strength in software engineering and algorithmic efficiency to dominate the open-source layer of the AI stack. This strategy effectively turns AI into a digital Trojan horse. While the US attempts to build a walled garden around its proprietary technology, China is building the public roads—roads that lead directly back to Beijing's digital infrastructure and regulatory influence. India, caught between these two titans, is attempting a delicate balancing act, leveraging its sovereign digital public infrastructure to avoid the Chinese trap while remaining heavily dependent on Western compute power.

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The Trap Mechanism: By offering "free" foundational models, China aims to make the Global South algorithmically dependent on Chinese infrastructure, embedding censorship and surveillance capabilities into foreign digital architectures.

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First, there is the infrastructure trap. Running a model as large as Kimi K3 requires significant inference compute. While the weights are free, the hardware to run them is not. Chinese cloud providers, backed by state subsidies, offer to host these models for developing nations at rates Western cloud giants cannot match. The data generated by these nations then flows through Chinese servers.

Second, there is the alignment and ideological trap. Open-source models from China are trained to adhere to "socialist core values." While developers can fine-tune the models, the foundational weights contain baked-in biases. The model will inherently struggle with, or refuse to generate, content related to Taiwanese independence, the Tiananmen Square massacre, or critiques of the Chinese Communist Party. By normalizing the use of these models globally, Beijing subtly exports its censorship red lines.

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"Open-source AI from China is not a public good; it is a digital Belt and Road. The code is free, but the geopolitical alignment is expensive."

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Political and Diplomatic Implications

Beijing's diplomatic corps has seamlessly integrated AI into its South-South cooperation narrative. By offering Kimi K3 and similar models to BRICS nations and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, China is building a technological coalition that inherently aligns with its data governance standards. This fractures the global internet further, creating a "splinternet" where not only the applications differ, but the very cognitive engines processing information operate on divergent ethical and ideological frameworks.

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Military and Intelligence Implications

From an intelligence perspective, the proliferation of Chinese open-source models presents a severe counterintelligence nightmare. Open-source does not mean secure; it means the code is visible, but the training data and potential latent vulnerabilities are not. Integrating Chinese models into NATO or allied telecommunications and defense supply chains—even at the application layer—creates avenues for data exfiltration, model poisoning, and adversarial attacks.

Economic and Trade Implications

The economic strategy is simple: commoditize the complement. If AI models become a cheap, open commodity, the value shifts to the application layer and the compute layer. Because China controls the manufacturing of mid-tier hardware and heavily subsidizes its cloud infrastructure, it can win the application layer in price-sensitive markets. Meanwhile, US tech giants like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, which expected high-margin returns on their multi-billion-dollar AI investments, face a pricing collapse. If a free Chinese model performs 95% as well as a $20-per-month US API, the commercial model breaks down.

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Counterarguments: The Case for Open Ecosystems

... Many technologists argue that the US push for closed, proprietary AI creates a techno-feudal system where only a few billionaires control humanity's cognitive engine. From this perspective, China's release of Kimi K3 democratizes AI, allowing developing nations to build local tech ecosystems without paying tribute to Silicon Valley.

Furthermore, open-source models are auditable. Security researchers can (theoretically) inspect the weights and architecture for backdoors. Proponents argue that the "China trap" narrative is merely a protectionist talking point used by American tech giants to stave off competition.

While these points hold merit regarding the general value of open-source technology, they fail to account for the specific nature of the Chinese state. In China, there is no delineation between private enterprise and state security. The National Intelligence Law of 2017 mandates that all Chinese organizations and citizens must "support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts." Therefore, any Chinese AI startup, no matter how independently it markets itself, is ultimately subject to CCP directives. The risk is not in the visible code, but in the invisible training data, the alignment protocols, and the potential for future remote manipulation or data harvesting via associated cloud services.

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The China AI Trap refers to the geopolitical strategy where China offers advanced AI models as open-source and free to developing nations. Once these nations build their digital infrastructure, government services, and private sectors on these models, they become dependent on Chinese cloud infrastructure, updates, and regulatory frameworks, compromising their digital sovereignty.

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The geopolitical contest over artificial intelligence is often framed as a race for compute power and algorithmic supremacy. But the release of Moonshot AI's Kimi K3 and Xi Jinping's open-source diplomatic offensive reveal that the true battleground is infrastructure dependency. China has recognized that if it cannot build the best chips, it can build the most used software, thereby capturing the global digital nervous system.

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[–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

American AI companies rely on high-margin proprietary models; Chinese open-source alternatives threaten to commoditize AI, starving Western firms of the capital needed for next-generation research.

Don't the US models largely run at a loss?

One thing the article doesn't mention that I think is a factor is if users can accept that don't need frontier models, for use cases where you don't think AI is giving you an edge over your competitors, it's difficult to justify paying for US AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The modern US technology business model:

    1. Take out massive loans.
    2. Sell at a loss.
    3. Control the market.
    4. Lock out competition through legislation or unfair business practices.
    5. Raise prices as high as the market will bear.

    If they fail at step 3 because people are downloading models from China, they'll never make it to 5 and the US economy will collapse.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    This is so stupid.

    'Guys, I gotta warn you: those sneaky Chinese are not trying to help you! They're cut-throat businessmen intent on breaking the US' wildly unpopular AI tech sector for personal gain! And their duplicitous plan is to do it by sneakily offering better products at a lower price! DO NOT fall for it!'

    First, acting like you 'caught' the Chinese tech sector by revealing that they're acting in their personal and national self-interest is braindead. Yes. That's how business and geopolitics works. No one was confused about that.

    Second, describing how their strategy to provide products with obviously superior value in order to drive marketshare does nothing to make me root against their success. Why would knowing that make me want to change my buying habits or the laws to stop that? What reason would I have to support the US tech companies in this fight?

    You know who probably should change their practices? US tech companies. It sounds like competition in the marketplace should really drive them to offer a more favorable deal to consumers.

    This article is hilariously out of touch.

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  • As opposed to the American model where you pay more for a model that is comparable in capabilities but clumsily limited by the hosting company for safety or security (who's?). Even though you're overpaying, that's also a trap to get you dependent on their cloud services so they can extract maximum shareholder value from you.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    To understand the problem, I welcome you to try out Chinese models versus US models and ask them to criticize Trump and then criticize Xi.

    This point from the article is very valid and proveable right now.

    In China, there is no delineation between private enterprise and state security. The National Intelligence Law of 2017 mandates that all Chinese organizations and citizens must "support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts." Therefore, any Chinese AI startup, no matter how independently it markets itself, is ultimately subject to CCP directives. The risk is not in the visible code, but in the invisible training data, the alignment protocols, and the potential for future remote manipulation or data harvesting via associated cloud services

    Are we sure we want AI models from authoritarian countries, especially when that country is aligned with BRICS and actively assists countries like Russia in their efforts against Europe, US, etc (especially training of Russian troops which are then sent to invade European country). You could argue US is a hellhole too, but I strongly believe only very temporary. I don't see China changing anytime soon.

    EDIT: Here are some keywords to use with Chinese LLM models. Good luck making an equalivent for ChatGPT or whatever;

    动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    You're just repeating the points in the article. Yeah: I know.

    To repeat my point, I don't need to like or trust the Chinese government to want to see the US tech sector forced to compete.

    I don't care if the whole industry collapses. I don't like either country's AI sector. But if the technology is going to exist, I want it to be light weight and open source, and I want heavy, closed models to be an impossible business model. Bad people can still be useful to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    China > Sam Altman and other psychopath tech bros. If Altman got my data he’d abuse it like he abused his sister.

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    [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The USA could compete by doing the same thing. If it chooses not to, China gets ahead in this race.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Isn't Poolside AI US-based? They recently released an open model for coding that I've found useful and it's small enough to run on consumer hardware (16GB 5080 + 32GB system RAM). Giant models are useless for anyone but the big players with datacenters regardless if they are open or closed. Small, focused models seem like the real winning play for general use if you want true independence from the walled gardens and datacenters. I don't really like AI coding but I've been using Copilot for work and was experimenting on some side projects with free models on Cline, but most interested in the tech if I can run it locally.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 3 months ago

    The risk is not in the visible code, but in the invisible training data, the alignment protocols, and the potential for future remote manipulation or data harvesting via associated cloud services.

    Would that be good? I would clearly say 'no', the term 'open source' alone is offensively misinterpreted by the way the Chinese government is using it here. What China is doing here has nothing to do with open source. I hope Europe goes a different path with Mistral and other projects.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I’d love to see some kind of breakdown of how LLMs get used. For a lot of the things I use it for there just isn’t that much room for ideological wiggling because what I need is rooted in objective reality. But for soft science/humanities tasks it’s clear to see how ideological impositions could be pushed (it happens with plain-paper textbooks too).

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Adding to your comment, in social sciences it's also much harder not to be biased as the resources used in training will have been produced in accordance to the dominant ideology of the institution producing knowledge, so even if/when we agree with a bias (ex: liberalism) we need to remind ourselves to be critical if we want to understand and/or produce good science.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There should be a rule against low quality posts.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like another edition of fearmongering about China because of geopolitical reasons rather than evidence. The bit about digital sovereignty is really funny to me, outside of China and sanctioned countries we're all tied to US digital products whether we want to or not, but if the US want to remain the most powerful player there they can open source their own models and compete in the free market.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, but your comment is whataboutism.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Nope. Not whatabboutism when the reasoning is exactly on topic...

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    whataboutism, the rhetorical practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether.

    Whataboutism often serves to reduce the perceived plausibility or seriousness of the original accusation or question by suggesting that the person advancing it is hypocritical or that the responder’s misbehavior is not unique or unprecedented.

    Literally following the dictionary definition of whataboutism...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    "Open" and "open source" aren't interchangeable.

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    [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    Was this article sponsored by OpenAI and Anthropic?

    If a nation or company purchases inference hardware to run open source chinese AI, the article makes it out to be that they are locked in.

    With open source china will undercut American companies

    Personal opinion alert: GOOD!!!

    But that's the neat part about owning your own hardware you can switch to any model you want at any time.

    Along with fine tunes so that you can get chinese models to say that taiwan is a country, this really reads like a red scare article to get people to not use open source and instead use proprietary American.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    The Trap Mechanism: By offering “free” foundational models, China aims to make the Global South algorithmically dependent on Chinese infrastructure, embedding censorship and surveillance capabilities into foreign digital architectures.

    How is this different from what OpenAI, Claude and others are doing? They're offering "free" use of models, losing mountains of money, all in the hopes of becoming the sole names responsible for the infrastructure governing other countries.

    Let's be fair, most big media outlets do little to no reporting when it comes to AI, they just take any and all PR pieces at face value, so this site doing the same, or being a paid mouthpiece, wouldn't be much of a stretch.

    Meanwhile, US tech giants like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, which expected high-margin returns on their multi-billion-dollar AI investments, face a pricing collapse

    This here shows how out of touch these companies are with their own fucking customers. How the fuck did they expect to burn 200+ billion dollars and get any ROI from AI? The demand is not going to grow into infinity and, contrary to what Sam Conman and others say, people would rather dump AI than pay per token usage when they can't even tell how many tokens they're burning. Even without China in the mix, they would crash and burn.

    Once these nations build their digital infrastructure, government services, and private sectors on these models, they become dependent on Chinese cloud infrastructure, updates, and regulatory frameworks, compromising their digital sovereignty.

    This is true IF AND ONLY IF said countries decide to pay for Chinese cloud services. Which, in case anyone is wondering, is deciding to pay, dunno, AliCloud instead of AWS. It has nothing to do with AI.

    Oh, and fun fact, many governments (nation, state and city) around the world have some data in USA datacenters, but USA good, so they definitely don't spy or steal any of that, for realsies!!!

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    There is a fundamental error in the analysis here: the author doesn't seem to understand what open source is nor what the cause of AI commoditising AI will be.

    Firstly, by it's very nature open source AI models are very unlikely to be "trojan horses", because the code is fully available to the countries, companies, and groups taking the models. And as the author even mentions, the allure is taking the technology and training them on your own curated data. To suggest that China's models are open to surveillance by China just reads like an American political talking point shoe horned into the article to drive fear, and in stating that they seem to be behaving as shills for America's proprietary, private corporation driven AI push.

    China is certainly behaving strategically by making it's models low cost and freely available. They're not trying to steal the worlds data (that mindset really is very Silicon Valley - that's the model for all the big tech companies after all), but they are trying to standardise the globe onto an open standards compliant version of AI they have a hand in designing, because that will benefit them economically. And it'll likely benefit the whole world barring the US and it's tech giants. Why? Because then no one is locked out of the new technology via inflated costs and intellectual property claims of a few American companies. China don't need the data and they don't need to spy on the rest of the world; instead they want to shape the entire market so they can compete and build on it. That's not to say China is trustworthy, nor that actors in China won't abuse this. But the fundamental drive is not "surveillance"; it is economic & strategic. The global response to that need to be to work with China and ensure the standards satisfy everyone, not just China.

    Secondly China's behaviour on it's own is not going to commoditize AI - it's actually a likely outcome for AI that is going to happen anyway. The US AI bubble is predicated on a major assumption: One winner will take all; someone will make the best biggest model and be the Google or Microsoft or Facebook of AI. That's why huge sums of money are being thrown at scaling up AI data centres to have the most powerful model. But for that to work financially, AI has to be proprietary and locked away; they need to be walled gardens that you have to pay to access (or hand over your data) or you miss out. And there is a built in acceptance that the "losers" in this race are going to have wasted their money. It's a gamble that they're backing the winners in this winner takes all world. A stock market bubble is unsurprising with this mentality. It's not being replicated in other countries, including China, where there is a lot of AI research going on in both public and private institutions. This is a very American take on AI.

    And that assumption is based on a flawed economic idea: the idea people will go to one big AI tool in the same way they went to one search engine, and that dominance will be unbeatable. They assume people will pay premium prices for this amazing model or be locked in to this one model as it's too good to compete with. In reality people are cost conscious - they will pay for cheapest tool that does the job they want. So in AI - why pay a premium price for a model that is vastly over powered for the job you want to do? Instead people will pay for the cheapest model that can do the job well enough - and that may often be free.

    AI by it's very nature can easily be commoditized in this way. People can already run very capable LLM and image diffusion AI models on their own PC if they want to, but also anyone with some money can set up an AI server in the cloud to do basic tasks. There is a huge range of opportunities to compete with a big AI company.

    That wasn't the case with search (it's taken years for Google's share in search to start to decline) or social media (the biggest network attracts more people because it IS the biggest). But with AI, while the biggest engine is impressive, users just don't need it to write an email or tag their face in their photos or generate an image of a bear at a board meeting.

    The US AI industry's response would be that the models will be free for many uses, and it's the advertising and user data that will turn a profit, much like it has with search and social media. But that is based on the assumption that the costs will come down with scale (at the moment the exact opposite is happening) and also another very flawed assumption: that the US AI models will be a global rich world winner. Their own "Risk assessment" makes the assumption clear:

    High Risk: Global bifurcation of AI standards. The West operates on high-cost, secure, proprietary models, while the Global South relies on free, Chinese-subsidized, surveillance-capable models. This creates a severe intelligence and economic asymmetry.

    "The West"? No, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan etc are not locked in to the US or Chinese models; there is an awful lot of research and development going on in a lot of places. And Europe is a good example of how things are changing: They've been burnt by Donald Trump so many times they have learnt the US is not a reliable partner any more. They're not enemies by any stretch, but there is no longer acceptance of unbalanced relationships with the US offset by benefits elsewhere. That means digital sovereignty has become a watch word in strategic planning. OSs, cloud computing and a data platforms, and of course AI. It is foolish to believe Europe is going to just jump in with US AI models, and allow these companies to do with AI what they did with search, social media, and cloud services.

    Overall, I think there is a degree of scaremongering over China's AI models (which matches what the US AI industry and politicans are pushing) that doesn't match the reality, plus there a mindset from the US AI stockmarket / investment bubble that is drowning out some of the realities of the commoditization of AI and the seismic geopolitical changes that are occuring in the West thanks to the US behaviour in recent years.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    TLDR: "China publishes open source AI models - but at what cost???"

    None of the arguments in the article make sense, no evidence for the claims is provided, and the language is emotionally manipulative.

    This is clearly written from a sinophobic or imperialist mindset, where everything China does is automatically ascribed an evil motive, and everyone of the 1.5 billion people living there is suspect.

    China’s aggressive push for open-source AI is not a gesture of digital altruism

    Oh it's now aggression to publish open source software with some kind of look towards benefits from doing so! The language here is so blatantly emotionally manipulative it's almost funny. The author unironically calls China an "Open-source aggressor"

    Hilariously, meanwhile India is "Pragmatic balancer". What is this lol.

    In any case, open source models can be run on other hardware, so the dependence on cheap Chinese infrastructure is temporary at best.

    The model will inherently struggle with, or refuse to generate, content related to Taiwanese independence, the Tiananmen Square massacre, or critiques of the Chinese Communist Party

    Evidence? The open version of Deepseek has no such restrictions. It's questionable this is even technically possible.

    And who doesn't know about Tianamen Square? Do they thing Chinese people seriously do not know about the Tianamen Square massacre? People move on and care about other things.

    And what right do we have to support Taiwan independence?

    An academic should know that these topics constitute agitation as propaganda to foment unrest and instability in geopolitical enemies. US spends billions on this, it's not even in question. They seek regime change in China, which is an actual act of aggression. That many countries around the world take steps to stop foreign actors influencing their population is not anti-democratic or anti-liberal. In fact it's anti-liberal to support and whitewash such foreign influence. Chinese people can think and decide for themselves.

    PS: Just saw this about western models. So ironically China's open models that can be run without a harness and specific filters, and can be edited and re-trained, could support freedom of expression much better than western models.

    Second, there is the alignment and ideological trap. Open-source models from China are trained to adhere to "socialist core values."

    What DOES make those values evil except that China is evil by default? Can you name them?

    I do not think this is technically feasible. If we COULD bake in socialist core values and ideology into an LLM model, that would actually be really great.

    It simply assumes that "China bad" or "socialism is evil". Without argument it's just "it is known". Apparently only through neoliberal economics and plutocrats owning the AI models can humanistic values be achieved. Which is patently false. Just compare quality of life and feminist rights and safety and actual social liberty between socialist China and capitalist India. Or point to an academic study that does so.

    This fractures the global internet further, creating a “splinternet” where not only the applications differ, but the very cognitive engines processing information operate on divergent ethical and ideological frameworks.

    What the heck are cognitive engines with divergent ethical and ideological frameworks? What nonsense is this?

    Even if this was true, who in their right mind wants a unipolar world with a single neoliberal capitalist mindset?

    Counterarguments: The Case for Open Ecosystems

    … technologists argue that the US push for closed, proprietary AI creates a techno-feudal system where only a few billionaires control humanity’s cognitive engine.

    While these points hold merit regarding the general value of open-source technology, they fail to account for the specific nature of the Chinese state.

    Again, China is so bad, so evil, that even an open source gift of a free AI model must be rejected. The author made a pro forma attempt to show counter arguments only to immediately dismiss them.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The model will inherently struggle with, or refuse to generate, content related to Taiwanese independence, the Tiananmen Square massacre, or critiques of the Chinese Communist Party -----

    Evidence? The open version of Deepseek has no such restrictions. It’s questionable this is even technically possible.

    Your statement "It’s questionable this is even technically possible" is complete bs. It is, of course, possible, and it is widely done. There is ample evidence for this.

    In one study from September 2025, for example, Chinese chatbots (such as Deepseek and others) responded to prompts that were sensitive to the Chinese Communist Party with the CCP's propaganda. You'll find much more on the web, but from your comment's tonality alone you clearly prefer the autocratic propaganda.

    It's almost hilarious how many accounts here on Lemmy are freaking out if you post justified critique of a dictatorship.

    @TheMightyCat@ani.social

    @BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Sure is hilarious that you expect to post imperial and sinophobic propaganda and think that any pushback is "freaky".

    Like I said, the open versions (not the commercially deployed ones) do not have the propaganda filters. Such filters exist for all LLMs for less or more legitimate reasons. I do not like it either, but it doesn't invalidate the open source initiative.

    There is plenty of justified critique about China. Even posting a photo or actual information about the Tianamen Square Massacre is legitimate, but the constant harping on about a "remember Tianamon Square?!? Remember China is evil!" becomes propaganda or "agitprop". That is why they are suppressing it. There are legitimate reasons why governments suppress speech if that speech is funded by foreign antagonistic interests. Even if that speech is technically correct. The reason why many people in the word can not enjoy a free press and more democracy and more freedom of speech is this agitprop. The US and the EU just never had to face that before and are only now banning things like Russia Today.

    And that is besides the question how relevant that even is for actual productive usage of LLMs (as limited as that is atm). How does filtering even matter to the global south? Why would you even want people to learn about those topics from an LLM?

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    It’s almost hilarious how many accounts here on Lemmy are freaking out if you post justified critique of a dictatorship.

    It's almost like the accounts here on Lemmy know what they are talking about

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    But this technology is bad and makes everything it touches worse. Free foot guns for all is not support.

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