On top of that you also get to own nothing.
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…so can we try the socialism now…?
Problem is America doesn’t really have a centrist party. Even America’s left, anywhere else in the world, would be right of center.
Should we have any leftists in a party, there are good odds someone is measuring social blood sugar and popping the vein and setting the injected black blood to ignite explosively. I mean that literally. What law matters when anyone figures it out and tells anyone else, that blood shows up and BOOM! like Firefly comics just stopped because wash was about to spoil thei
70% of Independents want universal health care, you don't need to ask centrists, either.
90% of Ds want universal health care.
It's not being stopped by 30% of the voters (Republicans... still, even 30% of them want universal healthcare).
The "pro-universal health care" side is fucking over their own constituents, as they are paid very well to do.
(reminder that independents are now 40% of the voters, Ds and Rs 30% each; these percentages are based on Pew but there are many polls pick your favorite)
No protests?
Yes, the hardcore american way of doing resistance with edgy signs.
A joke to the world
Get too loud and they will shut you down
Lets make some Lazer Megaphones to help those who forgot how to listen by unreal not-paper talisman. Oh, but Heath Ledger's Joker was the "bad" guy for being funny on the big show demo of that whole shebang.
I mean Sirius, Lee Camp nails it down to excessive detail and even they ask for the same sucker talisman tricks. Good Pornographic Luck.
Not even capitalism right now, it's full on fascism.
Fascism is the inevitable result of capitalism.
Fascism is the inevitable result of all government. Government is an accumulation of power, and it continues to accumulate power throughout its existence. Over the generations, it acquires more and more power exponentially.
Fascism is the inevitable result of all government. Government is an accumulation of power, and it continues to accumulate power throughout its existence. Over the generations, it acquires more and more power exponentially.
Every self serving entity desires to accumulate power. The same can be said of anything that serves itself and can last beyond a single generation. A family, a commune, a group of like minded individuals, a business or a corporation, etc.
The goal should be for the organization to serve it's membership and for the organization's membership to include everyone. Capitalism's values and incentives are inherently self serving. Most capitalist "market theory" assumes, if not requires, self serving participants. Its an inherently self-destructive system.
Give it a few years, and we won't even have porn...
I broadly agree, but the idea that the USA doesn't have protests at all is overstating the case to an obvious degree, given the widespread coverage each No Kings protest gets, with particular emphasis on how large the crowds are. One could argue that these protests are ineffective, but the phrasing in the OP is "no protests", which is provably wrong.
I point this out because in my experience, when attempting to persuade, it's better to make 99 good points than to make 99 good points and 1 weak one. Because people hostile to your overall argument will focus on that 1 weak point and make it seem (to casual observers) like your entire argument must be that weak.
If the protest is meaningless then it is effectively the same as not even being allowed. One could argue it’s almost worse because it gives the illusion of the right.
the idea that the USA doesn’t have protests at all is overstating the case
One could argue that these protests are ineffective
I believe the argument is that they are functionally criminalized.
Protesting is legal.
You are describing a chilling effect. Those weapons are not used at all protests and that is the point. They want you think twice before going to protest. Still though, in general, it's not criminal to attend or organize a protest.
It's good that you and everyone here knows that these things are happening. If the twitter post was just speaking to the choir, then what's the point? Circle jerk to make us feel better? Retweets and upvotes aren't going to save us.
If the post is trying to reach people and wake them up, then they are speaking to people who are not aware of the story you cited. To them it just seems like OP is lying and the post does nothing to help anything.
Protesting is legal.
If the police are shooting you in the face with teargas and dragging you away in handcuffs, it does not appear to be.
To put in in perspective, China has over 10,000 protests every year, and the CPC responds to the vast majority of the grievances that triggered them, imprisoning corrupt local officials, fixing infrastructure, etc. That’s why the satisfaction rating with the central government is at 90+%.
How about no protests where you don't feel like your government is putting you on a list?
We can still protest. We still have a legal right to free speech. It's not worth the hyperbole. It also perpetuates a misconception that authoritarianism doesn't allow for protests and free speech.
The model we are emulating is competitive authoritarianism. For the past four decades it has been an increasingly popular form of government.
There will be elections. There will be protests. There will be opposing parties and anti-government speech.
But the tables will be tilted heavily. They will allow small opposition wins, but the majority will stay with one party.
Speech won't be illegal, but you will be harassed. Asked questions by law enforcement. Press will be sued.
They will leverage the private/public surveillance apparatus to monitor public sentiment on all topics and how far they can push (and release pressure when needed) and what opposition to monitor/harass. Decades of data from political science, sociology, and psychology will make this an art.
It's dangerous if we perpetuate the idea that authoritarianism only exists when we can't protest or say anti-government things. The underlying institutional foundations are being changed now. The referees are being captured now. Press and citizens can legally say what they want, but the chilling effect is happening now.
We need more mobilization. Hyperbolic takes and not being clear on what authoritarianism actually looks like in the 21st century will make it harder.
this nerdy declaration of facts serves what purpose? the OP's points would ring true with your average american and make them think deeper about the culture they live in and the dynamics swirling around them.
right-wingers don't care about facts and it would appear year after year after year that militantly pointing to all these obvious contradictions and mistruths never accomplishes anything, no more than it does to the religious zealot that ignores the gospels.
but anyone left of center is expected to lay down absolute undisputable facts at all times.
who does that help?
this nerdy declaration of facts serves what purpose?
They are using people, who don't understand that words have meanings and the nuances in institutions and laws, to take advantage of the laws that have existed for decades for their own authoritarian gain.
Your entire comment is playing right into their handbook.
right-wingers don’t care about facts
Again, this is very simplistic. The real changes in government aren't the white house reconstruction, the kennedy center naming, or pulling down signs at National Parks (all real and important issues yes) but the things that actually reshape our entire country are happening on paper. It's in policy changes and directives. Court rulings.
The right wingers making this stuff happen do care about legal facts and they know the laws/procedure well enough to exploit them on a daily basis without most of the mainstream population even noticing.
never accomplishes anything
Solutions and plans cannot be developed if we do not have an understanding of what is going on. What makes competitive authoritarian regimes so successful is that they can keep 40-60% of the population convinced their is a democracy by allowing opposition speech and holding elections. You only need about 40% of the population to go along to keep the machine going.
If you find knowing the difference between authoritarian regimes and how they are implemented as pointless or "nerdy", that's fine if you just want to 50501 protest for the next few years (those have an important place in the movement), but others are in the field developing legal plans and reforming institutional structures from local to federal.
Finally got my full bill for my no-insurance emergency “we have to do this or you die” surgery from a month ago. (At least I think that’s it - who knows if I’ll get more random “I was in the room for five minutes that’ll be $1000” bills)
$24,000. That’s after the self-pay discount from something like $300,000. I’m making around $2400 this month.
Hey hey! 29k just a month ago! I cried until I laughed because that's absurd, I'll literally never pay that off
Whoever said that socialism meant "No healthcare" or "Unaffordable food and housing" was lying BIG time.
It was quite the opposite.
I live under capitalism and I have Healthcare, free speech, I can protest, state is democratic, and corruption is mild (relatively)
You've mistaken capitalism with what you have in US
OP lives in Poland, for anyone who wants to answer him, as per this comment
So, about poland if someone want to know:
- democracy and poland xD in the best case, it's anocracy. Sorry but poland is closer and closer to russia and belarus, especially since russian invasion
- free speech? It's complicated. I mean, you can do and say more if you're right wing (or just fascist). If you're in opposition (leftist, anarchist or just non-right winger) or if you're immigrant (especially Ukrainian now) then...you better watch out. Let's say we can use quote of goddamm idi amin "There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech"
- corruption? Well, they say it's solved but it's hidden and poland pretends "no, we're fine. Anywho, look at ukraine, it's so bad there about corruption"
- healthcare? In theory we have it but it's underfunded and corrupted (we just have another corruption scandal...again) and if you want to get much faster, you have to pay and use private healthcare. If you live outside city, good luck then
Well, it's not as bad as usa but...it's not good either
Anyway, fight dystopia, folks
democracy and poland xD
Compared to the US where there are two cancerous political parties and nothing else... Ever. Democracy in poland is far better. Instead of two cancerous parties, you have five cancerous parties, but at least there's some vote migration and resulting shifts of power. In case of US it's a literal duopoly.
free speech? It’s complicated.
While I agree 100% Poland is much more right wing than US, the freedom of speech is better. You aren't risking being shot for having wrong opinion here. Nor is police knocking to your doors for shitposting on Twitter like in UK. Worst what happens to left winger is right wingers down voting them into oblivion, which happens often.
healthcare?
It's shitty but stable. Many people use private services for more mundane issues like dental ect. And while it's shitty, it won't bankrupt you. In some cases, homelessness in US is caused by health issues combined with Healthcare costs. Here it just doesn't happen.
Yeah...and no. In poland, you have several cancerous parties which cooperate with two main cancerous parties. It's like distinction without a difference. Maybe there is a choice but...
Yet. About police knocking, they were knocking mostly during women's strike protests in 2020-2021 but now, police mostly surveil opposition (but they don't surveil fascist or just pro-russian groups. Interesting). Yeah, for now it's mostly downvoting but for how long? Especially if right wing can count on police
Stable...stably getting worse. Number or services you can use is decreasing. Yeah, surprisingly it's not that bad as usa but for how long? Especially if you have (another) pro-bussiness government
So just like I said, it's not as bad as usa but that doesn't mean poland is a paradise
I'm actually curious, what compelled you to look a whole month back into my post history?
What has happened to the US is the direct result of unfettered capitalism. The more the wealth gets concentrated into the hands of fewer and fewer people, the more the ultra wealthy need to invest in oppression, surveillance, disinformation and fascism, since a united and well informed public would put their heads on spikes. Other countries are a little better insulated, not having bought so wholeheartedly into the idea of money controlling politics and not having been similarly brainwashed. The USA has been primed to fall first. But the root cause is ludicrous wealth inequality, which is a feature of capitalism and very much a global issue.
direct result of unfettered capitalism. The more the wealth gets concentrated into the hands of fewer and fewer people
I'd say it's lack of political will to fix issues. Poland wanted to access common EU market and all the benefits, so we introduced high quality law and law enforcement along with strong anti curruption framework. Additionally if state fucks you, you can do a complain to the EU Tribunal of Justice. The end result is that we effectively have more capitalism than the corpocracy of US. And it works, capitalism is really good if it runs along with high quality legal framework. It's not a perfect system, but I by all means prefer it over US
good thing for our strong moral fiber. i'm certain this is just an american thing; it's not like capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction or anything, this is all just because americans are genetically stupid
Then your history teacher was ignorant, -ism comes from the greek -ismós which means "to take a stand in favour of" or "In the style of" it's used to describe nearly all types of philosophical and religious ideas, art forms, schools of thought, etc etc
What she said is basically: "ignore every idea that exist cuz i say so" and you follow that blindly; please follow what you belive is good and true not what people tell you to follow otherwise you aren't much more different than a blind sheep
Your primary school history teacher sounds like a fucking moron. What political system doesn't have "-ism" in it?
Shit, you're an organism bro. Escapism? Get the fuck out. Theism? No more religion for anyone, it's bad. Prism? No, all light must remain combined
What a dumb idea.
And qute true - except food and housing - all did happen in easte european socialism, maybe evenmore. For food and housing, very very basics were provided by some govs, but none could have more, no matter one tried, all was stolen by gov and The Party.
Both systems are very fragile to corruption, socialism probably even more, coz peoples are peoples. By pure definition, both systems are (could be) awesome.
All the above are currently happening in the US right now
If you actually want to discuss this with me you're going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren't worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don't see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
So which items on the list are not happening right now in America?
If you actually want to discuss this with me you're going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren't worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don't see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
Liberal worldviews never cease to amaze me.
"We enabled facism's rise once and we'll do it again!" –liberals everywhere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Though in your defense, it's literally impossible to know what I said.
We can all see your deleted comment because we know how modlogs work. "Literally impossible" lmao how embarrassing.
If you actually want to discuss this with me you're going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren't worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don't see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
Follow the rules and you won't get comments removed or banned. I've only got 6 rules and youve managed to break 3 so far, borderlining on 4
it's almost as if systems are tools that can be used for good or for evil, and have been invented to deal with certain problems, and can cause others of their own making, necessitating new tools to replace them and fix the problems they created.
Yes, but your statements inaccurately imply a certain equivalence between communism and capitalism that does not hold. Capitalism is hell when done properly. Socialism is good when done properly.
They're saying that this isn't Real Capitalism™. And they're partially right. It's often called hyper-capitalism, something regular capitalism likes to evolve into.
Nice save for them. Some of the stories I've read on .world lately make me realize how much in trouble USA and the West in general is, but the comments are absolutely gobsmacking.
Yeah, the system is breaking down but nobody with the power to do so wants to change the system. On the contrary, the top fights to keep their growth going by cannibalizing the rest of society until the rot is everywhere and a foreign actor topples things. That's just history's refrain.
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