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[–] 75 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Not only that but my old LG smart TV (47LM8600, I think manufactured in 2012) has literal suicide timers in its built in apps. Mine has never been connected to any network and yet it mysteriously informed me after approximately three years of ownership that all of its player apps such as Youtube, Hulu, Netflix, etc. would stop working because they were "no longer supported," all of them within the time frame of the same couple of weeks. It knew this somehow, apparently via magic, or quantum fluctuations, or psychic brain waves. Without internet connectivity.

Obviously I don't use any of those features so I didn't give a rat's ass and I still don't. But I still find that deeply suspicious.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Planned obsolescence is one of those things that just infuriates me so much about capitalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Luckily for me at least, like so many of us dweebs here, I drive my TV with a little media center PC anyway. So I couldn't care less which of their services they disable. The more the merrier, as far as I'm concerned. The real annoying part is that these don't work (presumably), but you still can't remove the icons from the thing's home screen.

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  • [–] 158 points 3 months ago (30 children)

    This is because as soon as a monitor is connected to a Windows computer, it automatically installs both the LG Monitor App Installer and McAfee Scam Detector without ever asking the user for permission.

    Is this not a felony under U.S. law? Computer hacking has HUGE criminal liability.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Name something you do as a corporation to avoid any laws or accountability with the current administration

    BRIBE THE DOJ

    let's see if that answer's on the board..survey says...!

    DING

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (17 children)

    It probably says somewhere in the ToS, which is still a fucking disgrace that those exists, without having to make clear and obvious bullet points you click "consent".

    Even having to make consent multiple times should be mandatory for every shit they try to do.

    Solution if users shouldnt hit consent multiple times? Dont do shady shit.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I can't remember the specifics right now, but in Gamers Nexus video from yesterday, according to LG ToS you must disclose something regarding spying and wiretapping laws to your family and anyone visiting your house

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I have a plan: we pass a law that any contract intended for the public (ToS, various other terms and conditions, privacy policies, etc) must be at the average reading level of the American public. We'll either incentivize better education or better contracts. Maybe both!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Or standardize agreements that can be agreed to with just clicks so you can tell what's up from just seeing which agreement modules are included and what parameters they have (along with a bunch of sites that explain them in easier terms for the less literate, which will be useful because they are standards used by many agreements rather than needing a unique one for each version of each document).

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Apparently it's windows doing it. Not the monitor via the HDMI or something. I guess that's what you get for using windows.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Yep. Windows installs manufacturer “helper” apps automatically like drivers. Got a Logitech mouse? You probably have a Logitech app in there you never asked for too because you plugged it in.

    Stop using windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    I had to go and find the Logitech app and install it myself. Otherwise it just used the minimal drivers that were built into windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe wired mice and those without rainbow barf behave differently.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Let me guess, proprietary drivers cause this and the open source or generic drivers lack “functionality”.

    If it turns on, reaches its peek resolution and refresh rate that is good enough for me, I genuinely can care less for HDR or the nitty gritty features.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Monitors don't need drivers. Your GPU needs drivers, and you might need color correction for your monitor.

    Microslop decided that any device that is plugged in might need drivers. They allow device manufacturers to specify an arbitrary program to be downloaded and executed by Windows Update, any time a device they make is plugged in.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    And if that driver/software does evil or is so poorly written it meets driver verification but exposes vulnerabilities, how is that Microsoft's fault

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Microsoft is the company that approved the software to automatically download and run as admin when a specific device is plugged in. The OEM submitted malware and Microsoft approved it. Both are at fault for letting malware download and run on your device.

    In the case of vulnerabilities, MS is fully aware of this happening frequently and has announced they want to do something about it, but hasn't actually done anything about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Old monitors need it for absolutely nothing, like my 2020 LG. Every feature works out of the box, because it has to over display cables.

    I think at most it adds an ICC profile, but it's not matched to the panel anyway and you can just install that seperately.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    No, no no. That's only if you do it. If a huge corporation does it, see, that's different. Corporations are "people" for the purposes of free speech (with money) or even voting (example), but when it comes time to throw somebody in jail for overtly criminal behavior, all of the sudden the legal system can't find anyone to target.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    My wife and I bought a TV on the internet. What brand? I have no idea but it's the type they have in waiting rooms and restaurants. Zero internet. Zero apps. You push the button and it turns on. It's the best fucking purchase we've made in the last five years.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I recently purchased a current year TCL, I don't remember the model number but it's the one right under their flagship.

    It's 75" and is the most beautiful tv I've owned. Fast, almost OLED levels of dimming, I'm in awe when watching the right content.

    I'd pay an extra $500 for a version with no smart capabilities. Let me turn it on and boot into my android box, or console, or whatever.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (21 children)

    I've used an LG monitor for about 5 years, and never install the manufacturer's software unless it looks genuinely useful. When I saw the Gamers Nexus video I went to check my installed apps, and sure enough there was LG's monitor app, installed silently without my knowledge. I used Bulk Crap Uninstaller to get rid of it.

    To prevent this kind of thing in future, run gpedit.msc and enable “Prevent automatic download of applications associated with device metadata” under Computer Configuration → Administrative Templates → System → Device Installation.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    Or you could just change to an os that doesnt piss on its users constantly

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago*

    Indeed. I use Linux most of the time, and MacOS a bit of the time, but the old Windows desktop is still there for the infrequent times when I need it to work on old music projects. I have it too dual-booting into Linux, so even it spends most of its time in a more sane OS.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Unfortunately, dual gpu and ray tracing setups don't work very well on linux.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Mine works, but I guess it depends on your setup. My main GPU is a 7800XT and my secondary is a 3090 I use for video encode/decode. OBS while streaming and recording simultaneously (if I ever have time), video editing and HandBrake conversions. It just works with EndeavourOS. I can do ray tracing on the 7800 XT but it's not something I care about in games so I always turn it off.

    I'm sure if I ran dual 3090's in SLI it would be a pain in the ass but that's why I didn't try for that when upgrading my system, plus the power draw.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Great; what OS has the equivalent of Group Policy and Active Directory besides windows?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    This is the one thing holding open source back, and the thing Linux users keep pissing on without understanding it.

    The CTOs inept nephew can manage your fleet of windows machines and you get all the checkbox security you need for compliance (and some real security):

    • Centrally managed
    • Logs that are fairly hard to manipulate
    • SecureBoot + Bitlocker

    That same feature set on Linux will cost you a ton of money in skilled staff if you want to check the same compliance checkboxes. (As for real security, who cares, no one is doing that anyway)

    Kind regards: someone who has managed Linux fleets.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    THANK YOU!

    So many people just don’t get it; happy to see someone rational who does.

    I WISH Linux had something like this, but it’s like NT 4.0; it doesn’t have it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    It’s getting there, slowly.

    • Clevis can do network and TPM pinned disk decryption.
    • With Linux UKIs you can do self signed secure boot, we still need the mechanisms for central signing. This would actually be better that windows, you control your own PKI and Microsoft can’t sign garbage your machines boot.
    • Logs is a somewhat bogus argument - log falsification on Windows has been done too. But linux is rather unprotected in comparison.

    But the biggest issue is the mentality of ”I own my computer”. Sure, you own your private machine, but your company owns the computer you use for work and the data on it and has an interest in protecting that data from you. That particular threat model is hard to communicate, as Linux users normally don’t think of themselves as a threat vector.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Good to know they’re working on boot; what about something similar to AD and GPO?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I hope no one tries to push GPO-like stuff on Linux. I get where you are coming from, but for example Puppet will give you a lot more power and and flexibility. There is no registry. ”Everything is a file” is actually true, you just manage a bunch of config files instead.

    As for AD, you have FreeIPA as the major contender. It works. You can also just join your Linux clients to your AD. Kerberos works just as expected.

    (RedHat actually tried pushing management of Gnome via FreeIPA á la GPO. It sucks, because the desktop environment is just a tiny part of what you might want to manage, so suddenly you need to have both that bullshit and your normal configuration management tool.)

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I didn't watch the video, but maybe they said how this done.

    If it installed silently, it must be getting pulled in via Windows update right? Where Microsoft just sees this a regular old driver for a device I would imagine?

    I have an LG monitor, maybe about 5 years or older. But I don't have windows so I assume it knows nothing.

    EDIT: Nevermind. I went and watched the section at the beginning, and yep that is exactly how it is done. Does windows not even vet what a vendor hands them as a driver? Perhaps they don't care, but this seems like an easily exploitable route.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect the thoroughness of the vetting is inversely proportional to the size of the kickback to Microsoft.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Got me curious. Quick search and I found three windows drivers that had keyloggers hidden in them. Go figure it was HP!

    • HP Notebook Keyboard Drivers: Keylogging code was discovered in the SynTP.sys file, which was part of the Synaptics Touchpad driver shipped with certain HP notebook models.

    • HP Audio Drivers: Researchers found keylogging features within the Conexant HD Audio Driver (specifically version 1.0.0.46 and earlier) used in various HP laptops and other Windows systems.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    That's what I thought was happening here. The headline is a bit incorrect... the monitor didn't install the bloatware, Windows did.

    Now the drivers/software that Windows installed is likely from the MS store/update path and was made and signed by LG, but still. Plug this monitor into linux and it's not going to do it because linux doesn't have that mechanism.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    LG clearly stands for "Literal Garbage". The DisplayPort and HDMI ports on the gaming monitor I bought a few years ago failed approximately 6 months in.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    My old LG monitor (32GK850) would occasionally 'crash' and require powering off at the mains.

    Only monitor I've ever had do that.

    The HDR was worse than useless too, obviously you can't do much with edge-lit VA, but the tonemapping was just plain awful.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    This is 100% also Microsoft fault and they are to be held accountable for this. With many drivers it can happen that one manufacturer goes rogue, but Microsoft needs to have a zero tolerance policy for this: do it once and your signature is permanently revoked for all your drivers

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I wish we would stop using smart to describe surveillance technology. Smart sounds nicez but there's nothing smart about it...

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    LG is on my permanent vendor shitlist for related reasons.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    I have an LG TV that has never been exposed to the internet and it's amazing.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Same! I jailbroke mine and can watch YouTube and Twitch ad-free, and it's got Jellyfin on the homebrew channel, so I can access my server off my TV :)

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    Omg you can jailbreak smart TVs now? HELL yeah

    EDIT: I am especially interested in LG webOS because I was a Palm Prē enjoyer back in the day and I rooted the fuck out of that phone (still have it somewhere)

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Check out rootmy.tv to jailbreak your LG smart TV. Depending on the model and firmware, there could be additional steps you need to take, but in my case, since I still had the stock firmware installed, it was just a single slide of a button on the TV's web browser.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I had to put malicious mp3 files on a USB for my newer C2, but my older C8 was rooted in the browser

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    So are there downsides to rooting? Like do the apps no longer work or is there functionality limited?

    I'm running pinhole on my network currently so I think most if not all of the bad LG behavior is restricted and I use a Shield for most things, but I'm still tempted to root it anyway. Just want to know the downsides, if any, before I update my family's TV

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I'm probably an unsuitable person to ask this since my TV is basically a glorified monitor, but from what I could tell there are no downsides except for the obvious one being that I can't update my TV. But considering much bloat and spying is going on with (LG) smart TVs, I don't mind it all.

    I use Twitch, YouTube, and Jellyfin on mine, and it's been awesome. I hadn't used any other functionality or apps the TV comes with before rooting and I likely won't in the future. So even if some of them didn't work, I couldn't care less.

    Maybe do some research and find out for your specific model?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    That's awesome. Mine is 42" and I'm using it as my monitor for my desktop. I had no idea you could jailbreak TVs now, what a time to be alive. I recently picked up a Raspberry Pi 5 and I'm planning on using it to replace my stupid Chromecast on my living room TV. As long as the Pi can stream from my Jellyfin server and watch YouTube then that's all I need.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    There's a website called rootmy.tv that can help you find or execute roots right off the TV's web browser. When I bought the TV, I hadn't connected it to the Internet a single time, so it still had the stock firmware. I could just type in the URL and click a single button - that's it. Depending on the firmware, model and brand, this could look different for you. Also I'm not sure if this only works for LG TVs - might have to do some research to find a suitable method for yours.

    That also sounds very practical. I'd love to get into Pis sometime, but the RAM fiasco is making them quite expensive for my current budget, sadly.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    My LG TV is just so old it isn't allowed to connect anymore lol. I just keep my old gaming laptop connected and it's a far better experience then any modern smart TV with all the image smoothing junk.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    That won't save you. It'll still install the driver if its hooked to Windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    So, I don't get this; if you let it install the drivers and then uninstall the drivers and use it, will it just keep reinstalling the drivers with each next connection?

    Apart from the obviously superior solution of switching to Linux, would someone need to connect while fully offline to prevent it from installing drivers and just watch predownloaded stuff (or play games offline) or what?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Straight to the list of things "I will never buy in my life".

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