The general election won't have ranked choice. Adams and Cuomo may end up splitting the "willing to vote for corrupt dirtbag" ticket and let Mamdani cruise to victory.
We can dream.
The general election won't have ranked choice. Adams and Cuomo may end up splitting the "willing to vote for corrupt dirtbag" ticket and let Mamdani cruise to victory.
We can dream.
All these years later and he still doesn't understand that no means no.
Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.
Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?
Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.
For a second I had this confused with the Toronto mayoral election, where the former sex pest mayor is rumored to be considering re-running against the person who supplanted him last election
Vote progressive, the platform is impressive. The people aren’t oppressive and their art is more expressive - their passion is expressive but the message isn’t agressive.
For the people needs to be accomplished By the people.
You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?
Vote blue still applies here. I don't know who told you it doesn't.
Well, let’s see what happens. If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard, this will be true.
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard
Sure, and pigs might fly!
Never forget that it was a coalition led by the Dem leadership on behalf of AIPAC that ousted both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.
They always fight tooth and nail against progressives and roll over on most of the demands of the fascists in the name of "bipartisanship"
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
As is anyone who's ever paid attention 🤷
Someone needs to tell that to Cuomo.
Cuomo can fuck right off. And he's declared himself not part of the DNC.
You think the DNC is pushing this?
I think they're going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.
Vote blue still applies here.
Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.
the party went to court for the right to rig.
Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context. Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.
Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context.
A completely accurate representation, made by a lawyer representing the party and setting precedent they have taken advantage of ever since.
Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.
I'm not sorry that the party's machinations against the left fail sometimes.
It's accurate that their lawyer made that true argument. That's just how party primaries work in the US, unfortunately. It's not accurate that "the party went to court for the right to rig". The whole point of the argument was to avoid a potentially long and expensive case from moving forward. The context matters, and the lawyer would have been incompetent not to bring it up, as would a Republican or even Green party lawyer in that situation.
That's an overly charitable interpretation.
What actually happened was that progressives sued the DNC for unfairly rigging the primaries, which they did.
Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying "well we're allowed to because we own the process, not the voters".
This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral and not favor any candidate over others during the primary process.
I don't think the word "rigging" tells an accurate story. I do think they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn't win the general. I don't believe they messed with the voting process itself, which is what "rigging" tends to invoke.
Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying
Again, context matters. In a legal process there are different times to make different arguments, and a good lawyer makes use every argument available. This particular argument dealt with whether or not the court had jurisdiction in the matter, so it came early in the process.
This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral
What exactly does that mean? Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships outside the DNC? Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC? Being neutral is a good idea, but that rule is pretty meaningless.
To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment. I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans. That's why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries. Giving the false impression that their vote won't count is counterproductive.
To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment.
To be clear, that's the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.
Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.
Pointing out that the party does everything it can to ratfuck progressives means that they might respond to pressure to stop, and you don't want that.
To be clear, that's the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.
Oh, fuck off. I've been brutal towards the establishment. I just want them beaten, and pretending elections are rigged is counterproductive to that end. You're nothing but a right wing agitator.
they might respond to pressure to stop
Why would they? It's apparently working. Now who is suddenly feeling charitable towards the establishment? You think they can be shamed into playing nice? You are so full of shit.
Oh, fuck off. I’ve been brutal towards the establishment.
Yes, you brutally defend them every chance you get no matter what they do.
You think they can be shamed into playing nice?
Yeah, they'll only change by unconditional enthusiastic support every time they betray anyone to your left.
they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn't win the general
That very much qualifies as rigging.
I don't believe they messed with the voting process itself
How do you know? They control every part of it and have shown that they're not above board in general 🤷
a good lawyer makes use every argument available.
That's not how it works, no. A good lawyer chooses a coherent strategy that's both likely to be successful and in accordance with the wishes of the client.
The DNC itself has a lot of skilled lawyers and would have agreed on a strategy long before a word was said in court. This was their choice, not that of a neutral lawyer just doing his darndest.
Being neutral is a good idea,
Agreed
but that rule is pretty meaningless
Only when it comes to unprincipled hypocrites who don't care about the spirit of the rules but only how they can bend and break them to further their own agenda.
Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships
Only to the extent that those relationships affect the primaries. Which they very much do when you're doing everything you can to favor a specific candidate.
Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC?
He's still a member of the party, one of if not THE most influential and thus powerful one at that, with more weight behind his words than most. That great power comes with great responsibility
To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment
Could have fooled me, what with all that apologia 🙄
I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans
On that we agree, at least.
That's why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries
That would be great, if the DNC would ever allow it.
Giving the
falseaccurate impression thattheir vote won't countthey will be manipulated and cheated iscounterproductivethe first step in the process of making sure that it will.
Fixed that for you.
God damn, you're hyperfixating on one part of my initial comment because you don't like people remembering how awful your wing of the party constantly is to anyone but netanyahu and two cheneys.
You have no fucking idea what wing of the party I belong to.
I know you scream "republican" at anyone who says the party should listen to the left for the first fucking time.
The DNC sure as hell isn't pushing Mamdani, is the point.
Whether they'll put their enormous propaganda machine behind Cuomo, Adams, or none of the candidates remains to be seen, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won't be going anywhere near as hard for the progressive running under their banner as they have for both of the Republicans in all but name he's running against in the past.
The DNC leadership is almost half as corrupt and hypocritical as the fascist party they pretend to be the only possible alternative to.
Or at least that's the narrative you want on Lemmy. It's partly true.
IDK what you're saying, the progressive is the blue in this context. Mamdani is the DNC candidate, Cuomo is independent.
Haha I wondered how they would try to stop Mamdani becoming mayor.
It's insane to me they would rather split the vote and put one of Trump's puppets in office rather than move their platform slightly left of center.
Not it's not. They prefer to lose with the right than win with the left.
Yes, it is insane. Why sane wash?
Sane-wash? Buddy, get offline. I've literally just explained why it isn't insane. The interests of the democratic party are better served (not perfectly) by the right when compared to the left. They can get tax cuts with the right while really only sacrificing the comfort of the underclasses or tax increases and accountability with the left. It's completely rational. It's the ruling class best serving its interests. Nothing insane about it.
It makes sense when you think about how they are closer to Trump policy wise than they are to being left of center.
"But, them democrats is all libuhruls!" ~ Most of MAGA.
But, there are some MAGAs who know it's all a ruse but don't care because they want the bigots to win. So, they stoke the fire under the ignorant masses.
Modern Liberalism claims to be for individual equality but that's kind of a lie. It has the same mechanisms to distribute economic and political power than Classic Liberalism, Libertarianism or Neoliberalism. Capital rules everything.
MAGAts understand that the Democrats believe in inequality just like the fascists do, just inequality based on class instead of on identity. So for them it's perfectly logical to choose identity instead. They are not wrong about the hypocrisy of liberals, pretending to care about equality for some specific group but ignoring the inequality for all. It was fine until prosperity started to plummet.
I'm not sure this is party desperation so much as it is Cuomo's ego. I'd call it 75% ego at least.
And after Mamdani hired one of the DNC's consultants to nerf all his policies appeal to the centrists who have thus far refused to endorse him.
It's almost as though the centrist wing of the party does absolutely nothing in good faith and will do everything they can to ratfuck anyone to their left.
So no rallying behind the candidate then, eh?
What a shocker.
Failed at being governor, and now he wants to tank the duly elected mayoral nominee for the Democratic party by attempting to split the liberal voting block in NYC. Meanwhile, Trump's buddy corrupt Eric Adams is doing exactly the same as a favor to his buddy in the White House.
There needs to be a poster on every street corner in NYC explaining this.
Preferably with pictures of both Cuomo and Adams photoshopped into the clowns they are.
Reminds me of Jill Stein running in 2024.
They're getting money to cause chaos because why not?
I didn't realize Jill Stein lost the 2024 Democratic primary.
DNC normally: "3rd parties don't function in our two party system, there's no point in voting for them"
DNC after losing their own primary: 3rd party it is
"Vote Blue No Matter Who" reverts to "Party Unity My Ass" as soon as centrists don't get 100% of everything they want.
These "" seem to have fallen from around the word centrists
They have not.
DNC normally "3rd parties don't function in our two party system, there's no point in voting for them
That part is just reality.
That's why they sued to keep De La Cruz off the ballot in swing states.
It's almost like mayoral politics in one of the most populous cities on the planet is somewhat different than state and federal level politics.
Who knew
Now we're taking about Democrats and the DNC.
No, we are talking about both. Go re-read the thread for context.
The original comment was comparing the DNC's behavior at the national level, with a mayoral primary with ranked choice voting in one of the bluest cities in the US.
I'm saying it's not even close to a 1:1 comparison
Reality created and enforced by those two parties, especially the DNC.
This screams "I am corrupt as fuuuuuuuck!!!" so hard....like that time that Bob Dole got Elizabeth Dole elected from a state she didnt live in so he could get lobbyist access again after losing the Presidential election.
These fuckers are so obsessed with power and pushing their "vision" that they refuse to let go, step aside,or support the younger generations coming up that ha e a very different view on the world and how it should be. Get these geriatric fucks out of office and let's move into the 21st century.
They're preventing the change that's actually going to allow the left win elections again. It's pretty obvious that the Democratic Tea Party moment is starting. Who's knows what this will be called years from now, but it's starting. They learned nothing from what the party did to Bernie Sanders.
He knows he can't win. He can only split the vote, and he's gonna do it anyway.
It has to feel so good voting against this total fuckwit twice in one election. /jealous
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