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[–] 172 points 1 year ago (14 children)

The general election won't have ranked choice. Adams and Cuomo may end up splitting the "willing to vote for corrupt dirtbag" ticket and let Mamdani cruise to victory.

We can dream.

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  • I mean, that's not even a dream, that's just what's almost certainly WILL happen since they appeal to almost exactly the same demographics across the board.

    Would be a surprise if more than one of them even reaches double digit percentages, actually.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I expect one or the other will get pressured/bribed into dropping out.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, that's probably correct. It'll be late in the race, because both of them are pig headed and want the other one to do it. That will only drag down whomever does end up staying in. It'll be a glorious game of political chicken. I'm ordering all the popcorn now.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yep, two shit bag neoliberals running I and an actual Republican.

    This is both good for Mamdani and what will be used as an excuse when he wins.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Is the Republican even relevant in NYC this election? I saw this as Lieberman for Connecticut redux.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Republican is the Guardian Angels guy from the 80s, he's probably not relevant outside of Staten Island, and a few old cat ladies.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All these years later and he still doesn't understand that no means no.

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    [–] 246 points 1 year ago* (32 children)

    Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.

    Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?

    Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For a second I had this confused with the Toronto mayoral election, where the former sex pest mayor is rumored to be considering re-running against the person who supplanted him last election

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Vote progressive, the platform is impressive. The people aren’t oppressive and their art is more expressive - their passion is expressive but the message isn’t agressive.

    For the people needs to be accomplished By the people.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?

    Vote blue still applies here. I don't know who told you it doesn't.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, let’s see what happens. If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard, this will be true.

    The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard

    Sure, and pigs might fly!

    Never forget that it was a coalition led by the Dem leadership on behalf of AIPAC that ousted both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.

    They always fight tooth and nail against progressives and roll over on most of the demands of the fascists in the name of "bipartisanship"

    The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.

    As is anyone who's ever paid attention 🤷

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Someone needs to tell that to Cuomo.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cuomo can fuck right off. And he's declared himself not part of the DNC.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    You think the DNC is pushing this?

    I think they're going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.

    Vote blue still applies here.

    Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    the party went to court for the right to rig.

    Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context. Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context.

    A completely accurate representation, made by a lawyer representing the party and setting precedent they have taken advantage of ever since.

    Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

    I'm not sorry that the party's machinations against the left fail sometimes.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It's accurate that their lawyer made that true argument. That's just how party primaries work in the US, unfortunately. It's not accurate that "the party went to court for the right to rig". The whole point of the argument was to avoid a potentially long and expensive case from moving forward. The context matters, and the lawyer would have been incompetent not to bring it up, as would a Republican or even Green party lawyer in that situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's an overly charitable interpretation.

    What actually happened was that progressives sued the DNC for unfairly rigging the primaries, which they did.

    Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying "well we're allowed to because we own the process, not the voters".

    This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral and not favor any candidate over others during the primary process.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don't think the word "rigging" tells an accurate story. I do think they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn't win the general. I don't believe they messed with the voting process itself, which is what "rigging" tends to invoke.

    Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying

    Again, context matters. In a legal process there are different times to make different arguments, and a good lawyer makes use every argument available. This particular argument dealt with whether or not the court had jurisdiction in the matter, so it came early in the process.

    This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral

    What exactly does that mean? Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships outside the DNC? Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC? Being neutral is a good idea, but that rule is pretty meaningless.

    To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment. I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans. That's why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries. Giving the false impression that their vote won't count is counterproductive.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment.

    To be clear, that's the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.

    Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.

    Pointing out that the party does everything it can to ratfuck progressives means that they might respond to pressure to stop, and you don't want that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To be clear, that's the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.

    Oh, fuck off. I've been brutal towards the establishment. I just want them beaten, and pretending elections are rigged is counterproductive to that end. You're nothing but a right wing agitator.

    they might respond to pressure to stop

    Why would they? It's apparently working. Now who is suddenly feeling charitable towards the establishment? You think they can be shamed into playing nice? You are so full of shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, fuck off. I’ve been brutal towards the establishment.

    Yes, you brutally defend them every chance you get no matter what they do.

    You think they can be shamed into playing nice?

    Yeah, they'll only change by unconditional enthusiastic support every time they betray anyone to your left.

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  • they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn't win the general

    That very much qualifies as rigging.

    I don't believe they messed with the voting process itself

    How do you know? They control every part of it and have shown that they're not above board in general 🤷

    a good lawyer makes use every argument available.

    That's not how it works, no. A good lawyer chooses a coherent strategy that's both likely to be successful and in accordance with the wishes of the client.

    The DNC itself has a lot of skilled lawyers and would have agreed on a strategy long before a word was said in court. This was their choice, not that of a neutral lawyer just doing his darndest.

    Being neutral is a good idea,

    Agreed

    but that rule is pretty meaningless

    Only when it comes to unprincipled hypocrites who don't care about the spirit of the rules but only how they can bend and break them to further their own agenda.

    Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships

    Only to the extent that those relationships affect the primaries. Which they very much do when you're doing everything you can to favor a specific candidate.

    Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC?

    He's still a member of the party, one of if not THE most influential and thus powerful one at that, with more weight behind his words than most. That great power comes with great responsibility

    To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment

    Could have fooled me, what with all that apologia 🙄

    I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans

    On that we agree, at least.

    That's why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries

    That would be great, if the DNC would ever allow it.

    Giving the false accurate impression that their vote won't count they will be manipulated and cheated is counterproductive the first step in the process of making sure that it will.

    Fixed that for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    God damn, you're hyperfixating on one part of my initial comment because you don't like people remembering how awful your wing of the party constantly is to anyone but netanyahu and two cheneys.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You have no fucking idea what wing of the party I belong to.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know you scream "republican" at anyone who says the party should listen to the left for the first fucking time.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Not everyone. Just you. And just for the record, the party should absolutely listen to the left for the first fucking time. You just aren't the left. Even if you are left, your bad takes aren't representative of the vast majority.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The DNC sure as hell isn't pushing Mamdani, is the point.

    Whether they'll put their enormous propaganda machine behind Cuomo, Adams, or none of the candidates remains to be seen, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won't be going anywhere near as hard for the progressive running under their banner as they have for both of the Republicans in all but name he's running against in the past.

    The DNC leadership is almost half as corrupt and hypocritical as the fascist party they pretend to be the only possible alternative to.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Haha I wondered how they would try to stop Mamdani becoming mayor.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It's insane to me they would rather split the vote and put one of Trump's puppets in office rather than move their platform slightly left of center.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not it's not. They prefer to lose with the right than win with the left.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, it is insane. Why sane wash?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sane-wash? Buddy, get offline. I've literally just explained why it isn't insane. The interests of the democratic party are better served (not perfectly) by the right when compared to the left. They can get tax cuts with the right while really only sacrificing the comfort of the underclasses or tax increases and accountability with the left. It's completely rational. It's the ruling class best serving its interests. Nothing insane about it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It makes sense when you think about how they are closer to Trump policy wise than they are to being left of center.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "But, them democrats is all libuhruls!" ~ Most of MAGA.

    But, there are some MAGAs who know it's all a ruse but don't care because they want the bigots to win. So, they stoke the fire under the ignorant masses.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Modern Liberalism claims to be for individual equality but that's kind of a lie. It has the same mechanisms to distribute economic and political power than Classic Liberalism, Libertarianism or Neoliberalism. Capital rules everything.

    MAGAts understand that the Democrats believe in inequality just like the fascists do, just inequality based on class instead of on identity. So for them it's perfectly logical to choose identity instead. They are not wrong about the hypocrisy of liberals, pretending to care about equality for some specific group but ignoring the inequality for all. It was fine until prosperity started to plummet.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure this is party desperation so much as it is Cuomo's ego. I'd call it 75% ego at least.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    That'd be blaming the one bad egg, not the the institutions. Neoliberals will ally themselves with fascists to fight socialists. But I guess it's possible. Also good strategy, blame the rogue politician instead of their moral bankruptcy.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago*

    And after Mamdani hired one of the DNC's consultants to nerf all his policies appeal to the centrists who have thus far refused to endorse him.

    It's almost as though the centrist wing of the party does absolutely nothing in good faith and will do everything they can to ratfuck anyone to their left.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So no rallying behind the candidate then, eh?

    What a shocker.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Failed at being governor, and now he wants to tank the duly elected mayoral nominee for the Democratic party by attempting to split the liberal voting block in NYC. Meanwhile, Trump's buddy corrupt Eric Adams is doing exactly the same as a favor to his buddy in the White House.

    There needs to be a poster on every street corner in NYC explaining this.

    Preferably with pictures of both Cuomo and Adams photoshopped into the clowns they are.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Reminds me of Jill Stein running in 2024.

    They're getting money to cause chaos because why not?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I didn't realize Jill Stein lost the 2024 Democratic primary.

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  • [–] 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    DNC normally: "3rd parties don't function in our two party system, there's no point in voting for them"

    DNC after losing their own primary: 3rd party it is

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    "Vote Blue No Matter Who" reverts to "Party Unity My Ass" as soon as centrists don't get 100% of everything they want.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    These "" seem to have fallen from around the word centrists

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    DNC normally "3rd parties don't function in our two party system, there's no point in voting for them

    That part is just reality.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's why they sued to keep De La Cruz off the ballot in swing states.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's almost like mayoral politics in one of the most populous cities on the planet is somewhat different than state and federal level politics.

    Who knew

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Now we're taking about Democrats and the DNC.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    No, we are talking about both. Go re-read the thread for context.

    The original comment was comparing the DNC's behavior at the national level, with a mayoral primary with ranked choice voting in one of the bluest cities in the US.

    I'm saying it's not even close to a 1:1 comparison

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Democrats think we vote for them because we like them

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    This screams "I am corrupt as fuuuuuuuck!!!" so hard....like that time that Bob Dole got Elizabeth Dole elected from a state she didnt live in so he could get lobbyist access again after losing the Presidential election.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    This guy is a form of cancer.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    These fuckers are so obsessed with power and pushing their "vision" that they refuse to let go, step aside,or support the younger generations coming up that ha e a very different view on the world and how it should be. Get these geriatric fucks out of office and let's move into the 21st century.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're preventing the change that's actually going to allow the left win elections again. It's pretty obvious that the Democratic Tea Party moment is starting. Who's knows what this will be called years from now, but it's starting. They learned nothing from what the party did to Bernie Sanders.

    He knows he can't win. He can only split the vote, and he's gonna do it anyway.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    What a goddamn pussy

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    He is a spiteful little ball sack.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    It has to feel so good voting against this total fuckwit twice in one election. /jealous

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    "Vote blue no matter who" for me but not for thee

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