Lawsuit filed by dozens of employees says people who took maternity or disability leave were disproportionately selected for layoffs

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[–] 50 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

"Look, if I'd laid him off because he took sick leave, that would be illegal, but I didn't lay him off because he took sick leave, I laid him off because AI told me to lay him off. And AI is smart. You can't tell me it wasn't a good decision."

Repeat across the entire economy

"We don't need AI to be functional - we just need it to give us answers we want and convince enough people that it's giving those answers because it's better than us."

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago

    “The AI models learn from watching really smart people do things,” Zuckerberg said in an internal meeting, according to the Information. “The average intelligence of the people who are at this company is significantly higher than the average set of people that you can get to do tasks.”

    This guy doesn't understand anything about humans doing tasks, or generative AI.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Why would they even need AI for that?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Because they use corporate HR software. Try use Workday or similar crap and you will know.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    It's funny you mentioned that...we just switched to Workday at my job about a month ago. So far, nothing works properly. Everyone's hours have all been wrong, and no one can figure out why the system keeps fucking things up. It's actually pretty hilarious. You feed it simple, basic data...and it spits out garbage.

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    [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Feels like a simple data query would have sufficed, but ok

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Hiring people who know how to do that is expensive. Hiring incompetent executives who know how to ask an AI is more expensive (but it benefits said executives, so they prefer this option).

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    So desperate to justify the unnecessary amount of money thrown away.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    This is all I need to know.

    1000012498

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I feel like you could just use SQL for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Then your compensation does not include said leave. The options are to work every day indefinitely or get fired for not showing up. Pretty sure that didn't come up during the job interviews.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago
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    [–] 140 points 3 months ago

    Not to discount the evil of targeting workers who used the leave they literally are entitled to, but it's also SO lazy to use an AI to generate a list of what's essentially just a RETURN statement from a payroll database. Boo on both counts!

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Being on a slack channel for victims of another big tech company's layoffs, I can say for certain that Meta is not the only one laying off a suspiciously large number of people during maternity leave.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Name and shame. Also, just because we're catching one and not catching all of them, doesn't mean that we can't go after this one. Hopefully, the people you're talking about will go after their employers too.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    It's a small enough community that I'd prefer to not out myself.

    My only point was that they're probably all doing it. Not that any or all of them shouldn't face consequences.

    Also like one of the other comments said, AI for this seems stupid.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    victims of another big tech company’s layoffs

    The tech sector has been heavily inoculated against any kind of labor solidarity for my entire life. At some point, you can't just be a victim. You've got to fight back. And I don't know if the people getting sucked into and shat out of Silicon Valley year to year have the gumption to do it. Seems like they'll line right back up at Facebook the moment Zuck wants to hire them again, under even worse terms, salaries, and working conditions than when they were kicked out.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    The reason is similar to why the hiring process is so stupid. You can’t just flash a degree and get a job. You have to navigate the hazing ritual because engineers are cocky bastards. That cockiness means they think their intelligence alone is all they need in order to secure their career.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If these allegations are true, this isn’t AI making better decisions. It’s AI scaling discrimination. Automating layoffs doesn’t remove bias if the data or incentives are flawed. Companies should never be allowed to hide behind an algorithm when people’s livelihoods and legal rights are at stake.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like a single spreadsheet would have done the job.

    Wouldnt it be funny if it added a bunch of fake names to pad the list?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Woah, that sounds illegal as hell.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    He could be replaced with AI and AI would def do a better job. He's not only evil, but he keeps trying to do new markets that absolutely suck: Legless Universe, Creep Glasses, Spy on everyone and propagandize them in a closed, addicting environment. Okay, that last one has been really successful.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You need an AI to sort a database of employees by vacation time used? The news is making people more stupid than anything else on this planet.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    This is "Lines of code = productivity" levels of stupid and lazy. I want to work with people who are well rested, not ones who run themselves ragged and are always on the verge of burnout.

    Maybe Meta has to payout unused vacation time and laying off someone who used vacation time is cheaper than someone who has a lot of vacation time? Still be dumb but not surprising if the only measurement they're going off of is $.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Anyone working for meta at this point knows what's up and deserves no sympathy for their business bullshit

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I love my job. I make a great salary, there’s a clear path to promotion, and a never-ending supply of cold brew in the office. And even though my job requires me to commit sociopathic acts of evil that directly contribute to making the world a measurably worse place from Monday through Friday, five days a week, from morning to night, outside work, I’m actually a really good person.

    Let me give you an example...

    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-work-for-an-evil-company-but-outside-work-im-actually-a-really-good-person

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I thought that way in the early 2000s when I was laid off from Microsoft. It was a blessing in disguise for me and opened up more doors that I never knew existed.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's much different world now, but I hope everyone who got laid off recently gets a better job.

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