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[–] 25 points 3 months ago

Is that a threat? Or a promise?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    AFAIK it's just a toggle in the settings. It says, "consent to the use of health data for Ai training and modeling" and you just click to turn it off.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Who is letting Samsung have access to their health data?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Average person that doesn't care what data a company has or what it does with it

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Do you know what? I trust Apple with my data (for better or for worse, or at least I used to).

    I can see how someone might be just as delusioned as I am but they trust Samsung instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Well, that's certainly one possibility, but there are so many average people that simply don't even know. You could mention their data or try to talk about privacy or safety with it and they would neither care, nor be interested, and in some cases not even comprehend it or why it matters.

    Was just at a local area on some bleachers and a row below me was a woman on her phone watching AI slop videos one after another. Her entire feed was only AI slop videos for 45 minutes. That's the kind of person I'm thinking of. The ones that unilaterally pay no attention, for whatever reason, to any aspect of data privacy/sovereignty/anonymity/safety/"insert aspect here".

    People on Lemmy aren't likely to have just stumbled in here. We are probably all aware of these issues on some level. But average people like that woman I mentioned are the ones most at risk of being taken advantage of. We need extremely strong data and privacy regulation, and needed it years ago.

    Lol sorry, didn't mean to soapbox. Just have a lot of strong opinions on this and am tired of seeing people, naive or not, being taken advantage of.

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    [–] 47 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Don't tempt me with a good time.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago*

    I have a Samsung phone and I take great pleasure in ignoring the weekly reminders that I still haven't agreed to their latest privacy policy (or any previous version since the very first one which I was forced to accept while setting up the phone). Refusing to do this probably doesn't accomplish anything, but it's my own private act of rebellion while I eagerly await those new Motorola phones with first-party Graphene OS support.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago

    Awesome. Samsung shouldn't have anyone's health data.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago

    Sounds ok to me, it's usually very hard to get data like that deleted. Best to not let them get it in the first place.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    >The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details. The company also said that humans (maybe Samsung employees and third-party contractors) will be able to review some of the data collected.

    For your own sake... let them*

    ^* delete the data that is.^

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Just curiosity. How the hell is US medical system set up that it's even possible for a company thats not in any way related to health have acess to medical history and meds?

    Like my countries medical system is fully digitized, but there isn't even a way for a random company to acess this information.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of this is info from smart watches, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Fair, heart rate, weight and height would be considered as medical records. But meds? How can it figure that out if i don't specifically tell it?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    How would Samsung get my health data in the first place?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Why would you voluntarily give a company access to you health data, and not expect it to be abused ten times to sunday? They haven't even secured it properly, so perhaps your health records are being traded on a data black market.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I had a Samsung smart watch, and it was honestly hard to use without an account. Half the features are locked behind signing in. I stopped using it when weather updates stopped working without logging in.
    Now I have a dumb mechanical watch, and it's glorious.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Indirect corporate sympathizing is what this is.

    Blame consumers for the abuse and malpractice of corporations who SHOULD be publicly regulated.

    This viewpoint encourages their practices by peddling the same logic these corporations use to continue justifying their practices.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    The logic is just silly. They know exactly why: telemetry is a first class feature in just about any digital consumer based product. We live in a culture defined by consumerism. Social class is defined by what you can consume. Success is defined by your ability to consume more. You gotta have the fancy car, the nice shoes, the biggest house and the best suit.

    Caring about telemetry, what information can be inferred from what data, and what information poses what risks in which entities hands… that line of thinking isn’t popular. Blindly consuming is popular. Showing off your cool new watch is popular.

    The result is that Samsung has health data. This is right in our faces. There are no secrets, no hard puzzles, nothing of that sort. Seeds planted, and now people wonder why they have a bean staulk? Golly.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You're believing in the tooth fairy. We live in corporatism as a political system, with a nearly complete regulatory capture. As a consumer, you are completely screwed. So do not use proprietary services and products. If you call this corporate sympathizing I wonder what you'd call corporate criticism.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Why would Samsung have my health data ???

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Use gadget bridge ! It's an open source app. Your data stay on the phone !

    https://gadgetbridge.org/

    https://f-droid.org/packages/nodomain.freeyourgadget.gadgetbridge

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    One just never hears anything good about Samsung anymore.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    So I can tell them to not use my data, and they'll also delete it as a bonus?

    Now I wish I'd ever given them any health data, just so I could do this.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Well at least they're giving people the option. Most other companies just declare they're giving themselves permission to use your data unless you opt-out (meaning if you've lost access to the account you've got no way to stop them)

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    If you're not paying for it, you're the product.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This isn't that. People are paying for devices with promised feature sets that have now had their terms changed.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    When I looked into it, the health related smartwatch features that were sold specifically said that they required you to use use, and agree to the terms of service (which says they can cancel the service at any time) of, their specific apps or devices and that the data provided to these services were theirs to do with as they please.

    I thought that was a terrible deal so I didn't buy one.

    There are smartwatches that let you keep your data, but they require a lot more work to use.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Pebble are pretty good.

    They don't require any work to use, have a battery life measured in weeks, not hours, keep all your health data local unless you very specifically set it up to send it to a health app, and are open source and reasonably priced.

    Not an advertisement. It's still a US company, but compared with something like a Samsung thing they're pretty cool.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Why would any sane person even use this kind of feature? It's not even that useful :/.

    It's the kind of thing people think they needed, when actually they dont... Who the fuck needs to know how many steps you did this afternoon? Or how "good" you slept yesterday? How many calories your ate this morning...?

    I haven't seen a single good use case of this kind of tracking device, except for your insurance/bank...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I use a Garmin watch to track my heart rate and variability, but I have a heart condition, so yeah. I agree with everything else though. "High stress detected" yeah, no shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah that's a real use case, i get that! and good this kind of feature exist for people who really need it !

    Otherwise I don't really see why a healthy person would use this feature... That's my point, now you have for every new phone this feature enable by default...

    It's like giving you earimpaired devices when you actually don't need it :/

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    [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    Don't use Samsung health app. Problem solved.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Sounds like it's not really your data then, it's theirs.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Please do. Samsung is a tech company; why tf does it have peoples health data...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Joke's on you. I don't use your shite app anyway

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Somewhat misleading. The data is only deleted from your samsung account if you refuse, but you can still keep and track it on device.

    Yes, that can we worded much better but the grammar checking people and software developing people have different communication styles.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you sign up for a Samsung account you're a rube.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I'm not in the all-or-nothing crowd. I can both have an account to make my life easier without seeing nag screens about accounts AND store absolutely no data in there. Also I recommend making a totally new account everytime with wrong genders to throw off the numbers.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Features shouldn't come with an ultimatum over personal data.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Isn’t that a HIPPA violation?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    CORP_O RANDSOMEWARE ATTACK the kicker is they will keep it and take it from you. Go ahead and complain see what happens.

    Ohio man says software update disabled car, leaving $1,600 bill and little options

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