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[–] 65 points 4 months ago (3 children)

They're also the smartest, and are an excellent way to work toward wearing down visceral fear toward spiders. Their personalities and forward-facing eyes make it a lot easier to understand them. You can see what they're looking at, and their observant little movements make them come across as curious in a way that's absolutely adorable once you get used to the legs.

I would strongly urge anyone who is fearful of spiders to have some interactions with jumping spiders. It can go a long way toward making you feel at peace with animals that are always around us and mean us no harm.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago

    I've been trying this since I had an encounter with one a few years back and noticed how frickin cute they actually are. They have this very interesting way of moving, like a robot, plus they have baby animal proportions making them appear cute. And if you observe them for a bit you'll notice them observing you right back. You can almost see the gears turning in their little heads.

    I still have a pretty severe case of arachnophobia but it has gotten heaps better with just watching these cute little spider puppies from a safe distance.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Jumping spiders challenge a lot of we used to think about spiders. There are so many unique and amazing things about them, especially concerning their intelligence:

    Jumping Spiders Shouldn't Be This Smart

    Spider Cognition: How Tiny Brains do Mighty Things

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago (51 children)

    They're some of the cutest, too!

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (49 children)

    Well, yeah, that's natural selection. The cute ones tend to have higher career salaries on average, so they are able to attract female spiders to mate with.

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  • [+] -32 points 4 months ago (48 children)

    Goddamnit, even on a post about spiders we gotta bring in this incel shit?

    I'm tired, boss.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (47 children)

    It could not be more obviously a joke.

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  • [+] -25 points 4 months ago* (46 children)

    Why does every topic necessitate a joke about women wanting men with money?

    WHY?

    We're talking about spiders ffs

    Gold digger jokes aren't even clever anymore, like at least have more creativity jesus christ

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    what an extreme reaction to such an innocuous joke. don't die on the hill of being "that guy"

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    That user is notoriously self-righteousness about grandstanding whenever gender is even slightly mentioned. Even when other women tell her she's being obnoxious.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    i noticed. the self awareness has left the building for that individual. lol

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You're agreeing with someone banned from multiple communities for their transphobic attacks.

    But yeah, my self awareness is non-existent.

    Good allies you got there!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    your lens of the world must be extremely cloudy, kiddo. i don't care about your fantasy outrage scenarios. and quite frankly, I don't have to.

    you are an extremely unpleasant individual to be around and comment to.

    good day.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Oh no, a known transphobe on this site doesn't like me? I'm devastated

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    That's hilarious because I'm not even a transphobe, so that fits right in with your character of calling people various kinds of intolerant in order to feel like you're on a moral pedestal

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    It’s not like your removed comments disappear.

    Regardless, if users like you are the ones who don’t like me, I’m not losing sleep over it.

    It’s been a long time since I lived my life based on what others expect of me. My moral code is strong and I’m not ashamed of it.

    Have a good one out there.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    What, my removed comments that got mischaracterized and swarmed by people virtue signaling like you instead of actually engaging in a rational discussion and trying to understand what I was actually trying to say? Cause if you could see the full context, which you can't, you would see that what I was saying wasn't transphobic at all.

    And that string of "banned for being transphobic" was all from one mod, on a series of comms that I've never participated in, over the aforementioned conversation on a different comm. And that mod was clearly someone like you who cares more about virtue signaling than rational discussion.

    After all, I called you a woman, didn't I? I used your preferred pronouns. That doesn't seem like something a transphobe would do, does it? I've never once attacked you for being trans. I've called you out for being self-righteousness and in many cases bigoted, and I've seen other trans people call you out for the same shit too.

    But whatever, don't lose sleep. I wouldn't want you to damage your health. Just, when you wake up in the morning, take a look in the mirror and realize you're just a human too, with human flaws, and you don't get a pass on that just because of your marginalized status.

    Anyone can be a bigot. If you don't believe me, just look at Caitlin Jenner, Alice Weidel, Kanye West. It's not exclusive to cishet white men. Remember that.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Bullshit, I've literally seen you talk about being trans.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Quote it then. Go find that comment. It doesn't exist.

    I'm not trans.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Right, cause I'm gonna waste hours digging back through weeks worth of your comments just to find the one where you talked about being trans so I can prove something you and I both already know?

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I’m a cis woman and your insistence that you know better than me about my own gender is not helping you argue your case against being a transphobe.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Okay, it's fine, you can gaslight me. You get a pass cause you're a minority.

    Maybe I should become a minority too so that I never have to admit when I'm wrong and can instead just feign outrage any time I'm called out on something 🤔 hmm, nah, I won't cause I'm not a terrible person

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago* (17 children)

    Oh no, I’m being a killjoy for all the jokes about misogyny, rape, and pedophilia in this site?

    Yeah I’m the one in the wrong.

    I’ve got messages in my inbox justifying electing a rapist regardless of political identity and we can’t even talk about spiders without someone making jokes about how shitty women are.

    Whatever.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    nobody is raping anyone in this thread, damn. you're like the PETA of women's rights.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It was entirely unnecessary to make fun of women in a thread about spiders.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    nobody did in any serious capacity. you flew off the handle and then doubled down when you were told it was a joke.

    go outside and touch grass ffs. read some poetry. literally anything that might help you develop a sense of humor.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I’m never going to find humor in making fun of women like this.

    There’s no amount of snotty little boys telling me I’m no fun that will make me lean in to casual misogyny.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm a woman, but sure. "casual misogyny" it is.

    hope you get better soon!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    we can’t even talk about spiders without someone making jokes about how shitty women are.

    Funny thing coming back to this thread and answering a few more replies about people's admiration for spiders, it kind of hit me that once you collapse your initial comment about the light-hearted joke, people can actually just talk about spiders. Like all the off topic talk was caused by you and no one else.

    The initial joke is even biologically accurate.

    The cute ones tend to have higher career salaries on average, so they are able to attract female spiders to mate with.

    Not in all, but some (very prominently the "peacock spiders"), the males absolutely have to be cute and perform a literal dance ... with a high chance of getting eaten by the female if they don't live up to her standards.

    So yeah, that joke is actually pretty good if you knew a fucking thing about spider biology. But you had to come here and inject your brand of self-righteous feminism into it. Great job.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Gold digger jokes are inherently misogynistic. I’m allowed my opinion when someone comments at me with said joke.

    Scolding me isn’t going to change my mind here. Do you feel better though?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Nah, kind of feel sorry for you.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Love that I live in your head rent free 💕

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You don't. But your continued bickering with people brought this thread back up and brought to light some worthwhile comments. Replying to you was more of an after thought (also most "new comments" where located in your thread). But it seems obvious that you're quite feedback resistant. So you do you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I've got someone in my ear literally telling me I'm trans when I'm not, people in my DMs arguing that we should elect rapists, mods not removing pedophilic comments about 14 year olds consenting to sex with adults, but yeah, I'm the problem.

    I am quite feedback resistant on this site, yes. I've seen what some of the biggest users on this site celebrate. I'm not one to abandon my moral code to get some chuds online to like me.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's cool. But this was a thread about jumping spiders before you brought all the shit into here.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The second largest family of spiders are literally the "money spiders".

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That justifies making misogynistic jokes, you’re right /s

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You should consider some gold digging, maybe you can buy yourself a sense of humour.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago

    It’s so funny to punch down on women, you’re right! I don’t know how I never realized before that women are so fucking shitty and it’s so fucking funny to laugh how they traditionally were held back from real career opportunities and were forced to rely on men for support and now we laugh and laugh and laugh about how they were subjugated and now have to deal with a glass ceiling and men laughing at their struggles.

    It’s SO FUNNY, isn’t it?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    If women as a rule preferred men with good personalities over men with a lot of money, then why would Elon Musk have so many kids?

    Try being a broke man with a decent personality and then tell me where golddigger jokes come from, goddamn.

    Or just go over to reddit dating advice and count how many times a woman explains to a guy that even though his looks and personality might be okay, if he's making minimum wage then he's not going to be viewed as a viable long-term partner...

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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    And they're so damn cute too

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I really like jumping spiders. They are fun to be around and have in the house. I just wish they were more common here, but instead we have widow spiders that make me nervous when I work around them. I just try to pretend they are friendly, too...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They are pretty friendly and also quite considerate. Females, when they aren't disturbed and find enough food, often spend their entire life in their web and never leaving it. So it's not actually that big of a deal to have some in or around your house if you know where they are and leave them alone. The males do wander around sometimes, but they are actually harmless.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Most spiders just hang out in a web. But jumping spiders...it seems like there's something going on in there. Like they're figuring something out.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They are absolutely fascinating. Sure, I'm certain a lot of videos ham it up a bit because of the way they look around and do certain things but generally animals with that much visual acuity have a lot of processing power to deal with the info so its not a far stretch at all to imagine there is something more to their intelligence.

    Spiders in the genus Portia show behaviour which is really fascinating, not only do they use their eyes to actively hunt but they 'plan' attack routes - they can see their prey, plan a route to get closer, which involves breaking line of sight for extended periods yet still remember where to go and where the prey was. They also exhibit strong learning traits and pattern recognition. Absolutely fascinating, and adorable, things. I really want to get a pet jumping spider, one of the big ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The only other spiders I know of who do anything similar are tarantula who I will note have a proto-brain but even they seem to be a bit more instinctual. Pretty neat that the little jumpers seem to be the smarter ones, either that or tarantula are simply far more cautious.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    My (recently deceased) pet jumper really made me grasp that most animal life on Earth has a sense of self and desires beyond basic survival.

    I mean, I knew these things as concepts before, some old study decades ago concluded that earthworms have characteristics of consciousness, if not full blown consciousness and self awareness, but there is a difference between reading about it, and experiencing it firsthand.

    My spider absolutely loved sunsets. She had a particular spot in her enclosure that she would sit on, and watch the sunset every day. No reason for it beyond she liked to see it. Driven by purely biological needs, jumpers will either be hunting, hiding, or looking for a mate, but they exhibit "recreational" activities.

    You can kind of communicate with a jumping spider too. They wiggle their chelicerae to communicate visually. I could put my fingers up near my mouth, and mimic the movements my spider would do. After a few repetitions, she would start to mimic me. I don't thing any grand concepts were conveyed, but I'm pretty sure she was recognizing mimicry from something that was not a spider.

    They're really smart, and each one has their own personality, problem is, they don't live very long. Her last day was a hard day to say the least.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    We have a ladle meant to hold spoons on the stove while they’re not being used to stir. We had a jumping spider appear in it once… which means we didn’t use that for weeks. Only after we didn’t see it move for days did we realize he had died. Loved that lil guy. Now we can set our spoons down again, though.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    All spiders are jumping spiders if you get scared enough. 😱

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  • [+] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The thing that got me to really like spiders is when I learned that spiders are actually tiny mechs! Their legs are powered by hydraulics, rather than directly moved by muscles! I just thought that was so adorable!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    It's actually both! Most spiders will extend their leg using "hydraulics" which is really just their blood (but called hemolymph). But the contraction is usually done by flexor muscles. That's also the reason dead spiders curl up. No more blood pressure means the muscles win.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They also have the most amazing eyes in the animal kingdom. We're pretty sure that they have depth perception based on the different refractive indices of light.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    My mom, who was a huge arachnophobe, had a pet jumping spider living on her desk at work. Seeing my arachnophobic mother on good terms with one is the best PR jumping spiders could ask for.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Neat! Just finished a book about spiders, that despite being sci-fi, made me appreciate them more. Children of time, for those that want to check it out.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    As someone with arachnophobia, this is deeply troubling the information.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Idk about that most of the spiders I've seen are way bigger than the jumping spiders.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I tried to pick up a spider the other day to throw it out, never saw a little fella jumping that furiously.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    been noticing more of them around here this year

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The only spiders I like.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Seem very smart also.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Thanks for letting me know that the most terrifying subtype of the most terrifying type of insect is also the most common.

    I won't be sleeping for a week

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Thanks for letting me know that the most terrifying subtype of the most terrifying type of insect is also the most common.

    I feel like for most people, a jumping spider would be outranked by a giant huntsman, and those are pretty uncommon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_huntsman_spider

    The giant huntsman spider (Heteropoda maxima) is a species of the huntsman spider family Sparassidae found in Laos.[3] It is considered the world's largest spider by leg span,[3] which can reach up to 30 cm (1 ft).[4]

    1000009397

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