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[+] 194 points 4 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 120 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    It's kind of like their own punishment. They'll laugh as they descend into their bunkers, thinking "no one can get in!" Not knowing that the exits will be boarded up.

    At last, one of them will emerge, after having ate the other occupants - children included - and they will be met by a crowd of brown people (global warming caused "white genocide").

    The crowd will then drag the surviving billionaire to a down square, where they'll be submerged into a vat of liquid metal, forming a statue with a horrid look on it's face, to be mounted on a block with a placard titled "The Last Billionaire".

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But wait! What if we buy a cruise ship and sell the cabins on it as law-free estate for these freaks? Certainly that one has to work out, right?!

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  • [–] 90 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If this is really the best of humanity that will weather the storm, we could be doomed after all.

    Why do people keep saying or assuming that these are the best of humanity? These literally are the leeches of humanity, the narcissistic antisocial hoarders who think they're the cream of the crop and obviously the only ones deserving of survival of the disaster they helped create.

    Fuck these people, I hope they all die in a fire or something, humanity will be off better

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    It is one of the worst parts of US culture and one of the greatest accomplishments of capitalists' propaganda that we generally see the rich as noble and admirable while the poor are evil and disgusting.

    Not to be all US-centric about it, but that's where I live and I think this place's reputation speaks for itself.

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  • [–] 127 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    These aren’t “the wealthy” - most of these are priced at $50k-75k. That’s prepper nutjob price ranges and it’s no surprise that they’re shooting people with front end loaders since obviously it’s the government disguised as the company workers, coming to dig them out and take their guns.

    The people who are actually wealthy have the means to not live in a hole in South Dakota surrounded by other people in their own holes. Their hole in the ground will be somewhere much less advertised.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, IIRC Zuck’s bunker is in New Zealand, because it’s theoretically farthest from radiation fallout during a nuclear event.

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  • [–] 67 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    It's in kauai, hawaii. Specifically, right here:

    22.2016232, -159.3485761

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    These people are such morons. It would take about 2 minutes of an intro level Anthropology class to learn that for like 95% of human history we lived in small groups like this — so we’re definitely able to do it — but they only worked because they were (mostly) egalitarian. They absolutely don’t work when group members consistently value themselves over the group.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They weren't necessarily egalitarian, but they all involved a sense of duty to the community the ability to reinvent the structure of the community, and the freedom to leave. They were also smaller than this. But yeah this is a bunch of people who don't understand how to function in a community like this.

    Also I'm not certain why these people are already living in the bunkers

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    They are so disconnected from reality they think the world has already ended. Evidence of this would be the minor pushback to things like AI they are starting to experience.

    A bunch of them went and hid in their bunkers when 9/11 happened. Obviously a pretty bad thing to happen but hardly the end of the world. Sadly they came out about 2 days later because they got bored.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yep, though we know of bands of hundreds of people who persisted for a long time and at least a few examples of proto-cities with thousands and a much less pronounced division of labor (or at much less pronounced evidence of the trappings that tend to go along with things like kings and a class system). The prevailing assumption right now is that they must have been working more “together” than not.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago* (5 children)
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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Can we stage a fake crisis so they all flee to their bunkers, then we all lock them inside?

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    [–] 39 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Have these guys ever considered that the survivors outside the bunkers might just weld the bunker doors shut whilst those inside watch them do it on closed circuit television?

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I think the bigger threat is people dropping toxic gas or bombs down the ventilation shafts.

    cause ventilation shafts will be found, eventually, no matter how well they hide them.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    If there's any kind of catastrophe, people are going to want the resources inside these things. They're not going to destroy the bunkers, just their occupants. Yeah, gas would do the trick. I'd suggest starting with CS, just to send a message.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    They could do like submarines and have air scrubbers. That'd keep them going for a while with no vents.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The core hardware of a premium nuclear bunker air scrubber (like those from DEFCON Bunkers or [American Safe Room]) lasts 5 to 10 years. However, the actual CBRN filters (gas and particulate) require replacement every 6 to 12 months when operating, while the primary HEPA filter can last for years in dry, non-contaminated environments.

    Bunker air filtration : r/preppers https://share.google/1ocXyhrcvc9nSWYoc

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This would just lead them to store gas-axes in their bunkers. What i dont imagine they can counter, however, would be the urge to leave once the air system is sabotaged and the crowd outside is sat waiting.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    This place is a message... and part of a system of messages... pay attention to it!

    Sending this message was important to us. We considered ourselves to be a powerful culture.

    This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.

    What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.

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    [–] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

    You would have thought that the people making these shelters would have learned from Covid that they simply can’t crawl in a hole and stay safe. The wealthy are used to soft easy living and a underclass of people who do what they tell them to because of their money.

    If we really had a society ending disease or event they wouldn’t last two weeks before they came out of their bunkers looking for entertainment because they were bored. You couldn’t tell most of them to stay inside or even wear a fucking mask during Covid.

    On top of that they may have the skills to make money but the skills a P.E. Investor has from raiding healthy companies and pilfering assets is not the same skill set needed to lead people when money has no meaning and/or form collective groups to survive.

    Without a government and its protection, the wealthy are just going to end up dead with the head of security for the bunker fucking their trophy wife.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    So.... become the head of security for a billionare, got it.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (-1 children)

    A consultant reported that billionaires, when confronted with the idea that the private security team have no incentive to continue to obey the billionaire once society had collapsed, asked the consultant how they could maintain control of the security team, such as if shock collars or locking up all the food would work.

    The consultant suggested they simply treat the security team really well beforehand, like just being a good friend.

    The billionaires then became concerned, and I shit you not, asked "but where does that end?"

    I'll try to find the link to add it here.

    Edit: Here it is.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah..... No billionaire knows how to exist without exploiting labour. They aren't going to be going into their bunkers without security, chefs, cleaners, or entertainers. There's so much cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously believe that the government/world is going to be destroyed, but you will safe and still have a legal right to property.

    The only thing that maintains their wealth is the legal and economic system they use to exploit other people's work. Without it their property is just going to be seized by the first person who is quicker on the draw.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I mean I'm about a billion dollars short of being a billionaire, and I don't know how to live without exploiting labor either. I can't farm, I can't hunt, I can't identify edible berries, roots, and mushrooms, I can't sew beyond fixing a button. I know a lot about mechanisms, but it's far from clear to me I could do anything useful in that field once the electricity is out, let alone once source metal starts getting hard to find. Everything would get so much harder so quickly. Hell, I don't even know how to dig a latrine that'll prevent the water supply from being contaminated, assuming we can find a water supply. (On the plus side, sources of pollution in water supplies should start to fall apart pretty fast.)

    I dunno. I just think everyone thinking about the collapse wildly underestimates how hard everything will be. I can't really picture my sorry ass lasting long at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Eh... There's a difference between utilizing or societally benefiting someone else's labour and exploiting someone for their labour. Exploitation in an economic sense generally requires you to capitally monopolize a persons excess production value for personal gain. You can't really be considered exploitive unless you own the means of production. Basically unless you are a business owner or employ someone you aren't really participating in capitalism in an exploitive manner.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I guess I didn't drill down into the exploitation aspect, yeah. The people actually doing the jobs I don't know how to do--mining, farming, sewing, etc.--are at this point almost entirely disadvantaged people in other countries, who are being woefully underpaid and subjected to terrible conditions. (A lot of farming is also done here, but it's still by exploited foreign workers, so...) And a bunch of that relies on other systems too, like farming being done by as few workers as it is depends on fertilizers from the petrochemical industries, which are hurting people EVERYWHERE. I wouldn't be able to afford anything if it weren't discounted in this way. Even if there was no actual apocalypse, and only the exploitation went away, it's not at all clear to me that I would have a way to keep myself alive.

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  • Oh for sure, capitalism is built on exploitation, and it makes everyone rely on the system of exploitation that it creates. My main point is that you as an individual are not really responsible for that exploitation. The reason you are reliant on cheap imported labour in the first place is because you yourself are likely a worker being exploited by a person capitalizing on your labor.

    only the exploitation went away, it's not at all clear to me that I would have a way to keep myself alive.

    Just because exploitation theoretically disappears doesn't mean there wouldn't be another system of labour and resources organization to replace it. Every form of labour is equally important so long as it fulfills a need for society. There can only be so many farmers or minors.

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  • [+] 34 points 4 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What is a residential cruise ship?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What is a residential cruise ship?

    Think of condos, but on a ship.

    People make it their permanent home, and the ship wanders the world's oceans based (theoratically) on votes from the passenger/owners as to where to go next.

    The residents tend to be a mix of remote workers, digital nomads and retirees.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I just did a quick search. $100k to own the cabin + $2k per person per month for one example. Seems like a good way for some to blow their money during their golden years. Sell the house and head out to sea to die.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    These fucks are GROUND ZERO for humanity's collective dysfunction. They really think concentrating their filth in a fucking bunker isn't going to brew the literal worst toxic behavior ever witnessed?

    Have at it in my opinion. Lock em in and melt the keys.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Like most of their ideas the bunker strategy is idiotic because it completely fails to take into account the psychology of the individual. They used to flying around all over the planet and experiencing the best in life, for the most part they've lived this life since before they knew what their own fingers were for because they were born into wealth, these people are not going to do well in a tiny underground facility.

    The people who would do the best in the bunker are the people they are in the bunker to hide away from.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    Relying on a company to support you in an apocalypse event is outrageous amounts of cope

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Not a television guy, but if you convinced these jackoffs the world was ending, forcing them to flee to their bunker commune, o'd watch a reality tv show of them in the bunker going lord of the flies on each other.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    That's actually part of a whole chapter in World War Z. A mercenary from the rich people's resort who later ditched them reveals that once the common people started showing up to their door rather than zombies, an immediate fight broke out between all of the residents and their staff, with most of them killing each other. The mercenaries refused to intervene because they were hired to kill infected, not normal people, and had no loyalty to the rich residents.

    The whole thing was broadcast live because the owner of the resort wanted to flaunt their status during the great panic.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The mercenaries refused to intervene because they were hired to kill infected, not normal people, and had no loyalty to the rich residents.

    The most unrealistic part. They're mercenaries, they're loyal to money

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The Great Panic in World War Z was when the public realized there was no cure and the rabies vaccine developed did nothing against the infection. Another chapter mentions a border guard who remembered how "[travelers] gave me a look that said money wasn't going to be good for much longer."

    In that moment I doubt their paychecks were on their mind.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    I've thought about that. Scare them all into hiding in their bunkers, and then never tell them that there never was a threat.

    They can live in their precious bunkers, while we all go on with real life. 25 years from now, one of them will poke their heads out, and say "HEY! How long as everything been okay?" And we can say, "Since the day you people went into your bunkers, now get back in there!"

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    a man who moved into one of the units with his wife, his daughter, and her four children, pulled a gun on a Vivos contractor who had pulled up with a front-end loader to his bunker.

    Yeah that tracks.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Isn’t this exactly the premise for some of the Vaults in Fallout? Social experiments that lead to societal issues?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There's a few that come close. This situation is about as bad as the more milquetoast vault outcomes: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_known_Vaults

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