A Ford employee says he lost his job after being accused of stealing a $1.95 cookie, only for the company to later realize he’d actually paid for it.

60-year-old Kurt Kromm had worked at Ford’s Kentucky Truck Plant for 11 years, but told Shifting Gears he was fired after the company believed security footage showed him taking a cookie from the break room without paying.

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[–] 195 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

They didn't fire him for stealing the cookie. They fired him because he's old and probably earning twice what a new hire who could do his job would earn. The cookie was just an excuse.

Every employer, big and small, has a collection of petty rules on the books that are only there to be enforced against people they want to get rid of "justifiably" and not have to pay unemployment.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This tactic goes by the lawful name of at will employment.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    At will employment isn't a magic trick, and this case demonstratesit clearly. It means employees can be terminated without cause. But if employees are terminated without cause they get to claim unemployment. That's why they manufacturered a reason here - to keep him from being able to claim unemployment.

    It also allows them to term employees for illegal reasons. An older employee making more money and approaching pension can't be fired and denied pension for being old. But if they steal a cookie? Absolutely.

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  • [–] 190 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    60-year-old

    That's why. I guess Ford won't have to pay him some retirement package.

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  • [–] 122 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Should sue for defamation and damages

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wrongful termination for sure, idk about defamation. I think it'd be hard to argue being accused of stealing a cookie actually hurt your reputation in any meaningful way.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    If the employee isn’t ready to retire, being fired for theft of company property is something that will absolutely effect their reputation.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I think Kromm should give them a first hand lesson in the riddle of steel...

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  • [–] 84 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Why are employees expected to pay for cookies in the break room?

    Oh right, capitalism. Human decency be damned.

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  • [+] -44 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Under socialism, employers must supply free cookies in breakrooms.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My employer offers free fruits in breakrooms. Life safers when you have low bloodsugar.

    That coupled with other benefits like free gym, company paying half of any bicycle i buy and discounts with local massagers have made me healthier and i have turned down an job offer from better paying job because they had worse benefits.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Historically every job provided all workers a meal, often two if it was a long day. This didn't stop being the norm until clocks and factories became common.

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  • [–] 312 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

    Who puts cookies in the break room and expects you to pay for it.

    It's cookies.

    They're cheap.

    Treat your workers.

    Treat your colleagues.

    Edit: very curious to hear the mindset of the few down voters of this.

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  • [–] 111 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Lolz. Public corporations don't care about your well being. If there is an ROI on any action, it's worth taking and if that means no cookies because it ensure the shareholders get a fraction of a percent return, then no cookies for you.

    I'm working hard to leave my current corpo. They're down to the "bring the dry pen back to get a new one" stage of bean counting. That's a sinking ship to disembark from ASAP.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Last two companies I worked for treat their workers to a lot of goodies, like food, after work parties, stuff like that. Not everyone is that stingy. But of course, they only care in order to make workers happy to make more money for the company.

    In the end, it's all about the moolah.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    thats pretty much with tech, all these conferences they go to are AI, and they get all these goodie bags, and free "ice cream", so they dont end up rebelling or "kicking and screaming out the door" when they are laid off.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's fine for companies to be motivated by money, what matters is that they make the right decisions. Regulations help with that, but this very post is a clear example of how a money-motivated company can instead try to squeeze their employees for more money instead of spending money on them to hopefully increase productivity.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If there is a short term easilly measured ROI on any action, it’s worth taking and if that means no cookies because it ensure the shareholders get a fraction of a percent return, then no cookies for you.

    FIFY.

    Their actions are not even competent by their own worldview - this kind of corporate management invariably sacrifice long term hard to measure yet large positive outcomes for the company (such as the gains from keeping highly trained personnel who stuck around because of goodwill towards the company rather than having the constant hiring and training costs as well as lower productivity from high turnaround) for miniscule but easy to measure immediate gains (like saving the equivalent of 1% of a single average worker's salary by not providing free cookies).

    There really is no point in penny pinching if its going to increase employee turnaround in a domain were experience makes a significant difference.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Loss of experience isn't a trackable metric, you can't put it in a spreadsheet, so it doesn't exist to the company.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You can absolutelly put it on to spreadsheet. Its just that its not a metric companies calculate normally.

    I recommend everybody who is training new employees to track the time the training really takes, how much it takes away from your normal work effiency and how long it takes until newbies are ready to work shift solo. Do it enough times and you get average for new employers and you can calculate real life cost for new hires.

    Then compare that to numbers the experienced guy would get during that time and how much money the employees training newbies would make. You get clear monetary difference between training new vs. keeping the old. If the experienced guy is competent they will always get better numbers on short term.

    Then calculate median time people work in that position.

    Now you can show a number that says: Hey, fire this guy and on average you loose this amount of money for new hire and if you want new employee who stays in the house as long as this guy you are firing has stayed, you need to go trough the training process this many times on average.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    The cost of hiring and training a new employee is something a company of that size should know, and it's definitely more than the cost of a $2 cookie.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    Gotta milk every last cent out of us. Honestly the absurdity and cruelty only make the revolution come that much faster and if they are cruel enough we won't even have any moral hangups about it (for those that would).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    My current company contracts someone to keep a few fridges and shelves in the break room stocked with higher grade convenience-store style food. The prices are pretty cheap, so I suspect they actually lose money on the deal. If I grabbed some food and just walked away with it, that would technically be stealing. I doubt they would confront me about something that small, though. Ford is obviously wrong to fire someone over a cookie.

    It always seemed like a no-brainer to me to provide subsidized food for expensive salary workers who may be willing to work unpaid overtime if they don’t have to leave to get dinner, at least from a logic self-serving point of view.

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    At my last job they have a policy of people who retire are allowed to cash out Extended Illness Bank (EIB) hours at full hourly wages if you are over a certain age and have a certain number of years with the organization. The bank is maxed max out at 400 hours.

    One day I was in HR working for a reporting meeting. An employee who was less than a month from hitting the age/tenure threshold was being fired for a miniscule reason.

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Yep. I remember having to temporarily sit at the desk of some department head to address a network problem, whose desk was covered in paperwork involving some poor custodian who was asking for a medically necessary limited period of light duty as a result of a work-related injury, and this director's handwritten notes all over it, with shit like "if she can't do the job she shouldn't be here, let's draw a line under this," etc. It was clear exactly what they were getting at; they ALL knew the law, hence the handwritten notes and vague language. The casual nature of it was revolting.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Corpos aren't human in any way that matters.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The corporate mentality. All the behaviours of a psychopath. None of the medical explanation.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Because high level corporate people are psychopaths.

    Statistically speaking, psychopathic traits/tendencies are very beneficial and actively selected for, for climbing the corporate ladder.

    Now, obviously, they don't go "Hey, you're a psychomath, lets promote you 3 rungs up", its that psychopaths have the charisma, manipulation, can backstab without feeling guilt, etc necessary to lift themselves up while pushing others down.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Or that ages of "wives tales" are actually true and wealth really does something to our psyche. It's true to say that immoral people get into these positions and make the rules, but I think it's overly simplistic to believe that is the entire reason.

    The more terrifying analysis is that people do change and not always for the better. The system is stupidly good at corrupting people and power/wealth do something to our monkey brains that is insanely antisocial. People unfortunately absolutely do become worse in the system, and it is designed that way.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    it is designed that way

    They say the fish rots from the head down, and the same applies to organisations. Rot sets in when leadership becomes obsessed with short term gains, prioritises optics over substance, and treats excellence as a performance rather than a standard to live up to.

    When you follow the money to the top, especially in publicly listed companies, it gets pretty grim. You see the same small circle of people rotating across boards, often lacking deep, tangible understanding of what they're overseeing, appointed more for status and connections than competence.

    Meanwhile, the people who actually built and sustain the company, the ones whose livelihoods depend on it, barely factor into the equation. They're seen as nothing more than furniture that gets passed along with a company acquisition. Culture flows from that reality. When leadership rewards self serving behaviour, people adapt accordingly.

    That's how you end up with environments that feel psychopathic, not necessarily because individuals start that way, but because the system consistently selects for and reinforces it.

    My 2c anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    At a previous job the general manager was trying to coach me on how to talk to people who had been hurt on the job, in an attempt to talk them out of going to the ER or urgnt care for treatment. I never had to do it, but my intent was to do the opposite of that if I was ever put in that situation. I can lie too, assholes.

    That company went out of business in 2024.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    And I hope they sued the fuck out of that company. Age discrimination is illegal as fuck.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Not when it's a right to work state.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    right to work doesnt mean theycant fire you, they just need a reason to, but they can alleged any number of reasons to fire you wether that is through performance, or time stealing or another. at will is they can layoff, fire without most reasons.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    sounds like the one in the article, and an another story i heard years back. a a stewardess was 60-70+yo in her airline job, and the airline accused her of stealing and fired her, she was earning 200k+/year plus other benefits, and she was on the verge or retiring. they knew what they were doing. they are probably figure people wouldnt notice and she would accept it, or they mightve calculated the potential lawsuit costs of firing her.(using this as a template to fire people before they even have a chance to sue).

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  • [–] 64 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    100% this is 'we want to fire this guy because he made somebody one or two or three levels above him on the totem pole look really foolish'.

    Its the same bullshit as 'oh you don't get your security deposit back because ... we decided you scratched something, somewhere'.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Or as someone else here said, he was getting too close to retirement or some other kind of seniority/longevity-based benefit that the company didn't want to pay out.

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  • [–] 99 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You don't just fire a $200k worker over a $2 cookie without looking for a reason to fire them.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    200k+year is the reason, they just try to obfuscate by saying it something else, and stealing is the easiest to accuse and harder to prove. they probably expect the person to accept it and not lawyer up, because lawyers are expensive.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It wasn't about the cookie

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But to even think of using it as an excuse..

    In Norway/most of Europe a lawyer would've had a field day with this case.

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Why isnt there free cookies in the breakroom?

    Why are they nickle and diming employees for snacks that give them the energy to do their job well and full?

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  • [+] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I've gone through psych evals in corporate hiring that ask a bunch of bullshit "would you steal a penny to feed a starving orphan" questions, intended to weed out anyone with an ounce of conscience.

    They mostly just teach you to lie to your boss

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Jesus Christ. Should've followed it up with the question, "why is the company purposely withholding a penny when it could be used to feed a starving orphan?"

    It's like with overly strict parents; the only thing they are teaching their kids is how to lie and sneak around

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