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[–] 122 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The Democrats are going to investigate your crimes? Are we talking about the same Democrats?

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  • [–] 81 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    They investigated last time too. They ran out the clock on all the important stuff and nothing of consequence came of any of it but they technically did do quite a few investigations.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Investigations are great for them politically, why wouldn't they?

    They sweep the house and set up special commissions investigating all of the wrongdoings very publicly and with much ceremony and somber pomp.

    Then either they'll defer the discovered crimes to the justice department to make arrests (these will be ignored) or send impeachment proceedings to the senate (these will be swatted down).

    This lets them "do something" without actually making any changes. It will also be coordinated with the media to be the focus of politics for a while and not something dangerous like young anti-capitalist upstarts trying to steal the party they rightfully rigged so long ago.

    By making it seem like they're doing something the can also tamper down some of that anti establishment energy that's been boiling over recently.

    I hope they fucking fail.

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  • [–] 69 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I wanna see a source for that quote. If it’s real, I’ll laugh my pants off

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  • [–] [S] 155 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Seems to be paraphrasing:

    “If we lose the midterms, heaven forbid, these Democrats — y’all, impeachment isn’t even the real concern,” the Louisiana Republican told a conservative audience on Friday. “They will turn every committee of Congress into an investigative body, and they’ll go after the president’s family, the Cabinet, his donors, friends, half of you in this room will be targeted.”

    The House speaker added, “I run the protection program. I’ll take care of you.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/mike-johnson-trump-2677119940/

    https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/mike-johnson-protection-program-johnson-trump-midterms

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  • [–] 100 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I've heard if you deport them fast enough and send them to a nonextradition country with a supermax prison then you don't even need to make a case against them. Seems a lot cheaper for the tax payers.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    If only the Democrats had that much spine.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Hey, there’s like an infinite number of parallel universes where they do have the spine for it. Sucks we got stuck in the only one where they’re utterly useless.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    He’s just mad the Dems might steal their tactics

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I wish. My money's on the day one agenda being to pass some mealymouthed resolution about a return to decorum or something equally pissweak.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I expect disappointment as well

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    [–] 38 points 4 months ago

    I swear to God, I can't tell what's real and what's a meme anymore.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Vance is now on record saying if the Nixon scandal happened today it wouldn't even make it on the news. That is how brazenly corrupt these asshats are.

    No apologies, just the smug "we can grift all we want".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    He’s probably not wrong, to be honest. Spying on the opponent seems to be basic campaigning now

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh Watergate was about far more than that.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not American, so some of the details may have been lost on me. I thought it was that Nixon and his campaign managers had organized for people to break into a DNC office in order to bug it and get insider information about their campaign?

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    If we are able to get our country back in 2028 whoever the president is then needs to use every bit of their power to arrest and prosecute every single person who went along with Donny’s agenda. If not we will do this all over again, but stupider and worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ah, you mean like last time? Where nothing was prosecuted?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    No, like the NEXT time, when we will prosecute and imprison them ruthlessly and mercilessly, and any Democrat that resists will be investigated, prosecuted, and imprisoned as well. Treason will no longer be tolerated by ANYONE.

    You work for US! Do your jobs, or else!

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    If he pardons them there is nothing anyone can do... legally

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Not necessarily. There will still be options for most of them, if we have the political will to play HARD BALL.

    Also, it's important to remember that these people are literally career criminals. They don't know how to operate legally. Now that we know who they are and what they are up to, we will just prosecute them harshly for their future crimes - and there will be future crimes, they can't help it.

    We just have to hound them for their entire lives. And their families. And their businesses. And their neighbors. Make everyone they know regret their association.

    Make them American Pariahs. We could create an actual official list of Wanted Pardoned MAGA Criminals, and if any actionable criminal activity by these specific things individuals is uncovered, there is additional bonus rewards for reporting them. Encourage people to monitor them CLOSELY in every aspect of their lives.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    And the entirety of the Joe Biden administration for the genocide in Gaza, and the entirety of the Bush administration for the illegal wars, and the entirety of the Obama administration for the illegal drone strikes, and the entirety of the...

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If the Democrats take the House and Senate, it will be soul-crushing if they don't pursue a strong liberal-restoration agenda and fiercely prosecute the Republicans for engaging in blatant self dealing.

    Thanks to the history I've lived, I don't expect them to, especially as the DNC shows signs of capture, but it will be very sad.

    Then the Republicans will get back into office, and the US will fall in earnest, possibly attacking Canada and Greenland when the government bankrupts the state, and eventually ending with China and Europe bombing the snot out of DC.

    If we're lucky, by then, chunks of the US will have seceded from the union to form smaller clusters of states, so that the entire nation doesn't have to be conquered by the Allies.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    I hate that this is so plausible a scenario. I'd love to be proven wrong, I'd love to see a wave of stronger-left candidates elected in primaries and then to office, and I'd love if the party in general could see what an existential threat the current situation poses, whether one is talking about the level you're talking about or merely forever losing any credibility with their own base assuming some vaguely normal political situation continues from where we are now.

    We're over the precipice of the collapse of the American experiment in democracy. It's not impossible to drag us back, but it'll take something heroic to get it done. The alternative is a long plunge down to some very sharp rocks.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Strong worded letter inbound.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    After the Midterms, those strongly worded letters are going to be subpoenas.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Sure, just like last time right?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    No, like next time, when they all go to prison.

    Why does everybody assume that the Dems are going to do the same things that fucked them up the last time?

    The voters want MAGA to be punished for their crimes, and they are electing people who intend to do that. It's a new world in the Democratic Party. MAGA DINOS are glowing brightly, and we all see who they are. They are as responsible for the rise and resurrection of MAGA as MAGA themselves, and if they don't actively take a redemption path, they are going to be primaried out in humiliating fashion.

    They better get on board, or start punching up their resumes for their next job.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Why does everybody assume that the Dems are going to do the same things that fucked them up the last time?

    Because they've lived in this country for more than 10 minutes

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If that's the case, then it's YOUR fault. If you've been paying attention, like you imply, you should recognize that there is a powerful new movement in the Democratic Party, and instead of trying to get everybody to surrender in advance, like always, you could support them.

    Instead, you'd rather give them permission to fail again, and let them know that you'll accept it, and guess what? They will. They'd rather go back to their Insider Trading hobby than do their jobs, so if you give them permission to ignore us, they happily will.

    Instead of accepting their cowardice, you could scare them into doing their jobs, by threatening to primary them, threatening to vote against them, screaming at their phone call people, demanding they do their jobs, OR ELSE!

    Or you can be a weak little pissant who tries to tell those who are fighting for YOU, that they are wasting their time.

    Ew, gross, grow a spine.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh it's my fault the entire government is collaborating against us and has been for decades. Ok champ.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, it's your fault for accepting it, and assuming they will do nothing the next time, and allowing them to do nothing with no consequences.

    Now they are seeing consequences. A 15 term do-nothing Rep was just beaten in the primaries by a KID! And there is a lot more of that going on, and it has become apparent to EVERYONE that we are on a new path.

    You can be part of the old, weak, cowardly Democratic establishment, and help them crush this new trend, or you can get on board and give it more fuel.

    If you don't, then yeah, whatever bad happens is your fault.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I appreciate your optimism. I've been around long enough to have seen "big changes" before, and they led to this. Expressing that on lemmy isn't going to move the needle at all and it's still super weird that you're blaming me personally for something that started before I was born.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I doubt it but I'm voting blue anyway smdh

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Yeah..same boat here. Doubt it very much, especially since both parties are capitalist parties so we know nothing of real substance will happen even if/when Democrats come into power again.

    I've seen it somewhere else on here that Democrats are just the stewards of capitalism while Republicans push it further. I think that puts our situation into perspective perfectly. We need real change.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I think it's not enough to just vote blue, make sure you're going out and primarying the ones sitting on their asses cashing lobbyist checks. Not everyone has the time to go and canvas, but signing ballot petitions and voting, even early or mail in, are in most people's grasp.

    Even if you don't kick them out of office, showing up with a strong challenger scares them into acting right and encourages more people to try and try harder.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    You would have to be a moron to believe Democrats will hold Republicans responsible for anything.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If the Dems don't hold MAGA responsible for their many CRIMES, it's YOUR fault.

    Mamdani recently said:

    "For far too long our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people. It has seen its job as explaining why we cannot instead of showing how we can."

    YOU are part of "managing decline," either out of cowardice, or by design.

    Politicians are generally lazy and greedy, and if you tell them that you expect nothing from them, give them permission to do nothing, and tell them that we'll do nothing about it, and that's exactly what they'll do - Northing - and they'll go right back to their favorite pastime, Insider Trading.

    Last night, 29 year old Democratic Socialist Melat Kiros won her primary over a 15 term incumbent, and said:

    "For decades Democrats have failed to meaningfully deliver for working families,” Kiros told POLITICO’s William Steakin late last night following her stunning victory in Colorado’s 1st Congressional District. “We have to root out the corruption and get money out of our politics … It’s about political will — and that means we have to vote out any of the incumbents that are standing in our way by taking that kind of corporate PAC money.”

    You are talking about the OLD Democratic Party, the lazy, corrupt losers that helped MAGA gain power, and let them into the White House, TWICE. The MAGA Comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries are as responsible for that as MAGA itself, and the NEW Democrats that will take over after the Midterms will not will not accept their traditional Corporate Establishment Democratic Identities as Cowardly Weenies. They are being elected to make change, they are taking that charge seriously, and we need to support them with everything we've got.

    We need to send the message that we will no longer accept them doing nothing. We already elected them once to do something about MAGA, and they fucked us over, and let MAGA back in. If we take it back again, we expect them to deal with MAGA decisively, crush it, and purge it from our government, and our society.

    But instead, your response is: "We know you won't do anything to save us from the MAGA Parasites, but that's okay, we never really expected your help anyway."

    Ew, gross. Grow a spine.

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  • [+] -9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    What do you say we check in on what you make of this statement about a year after midterms?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It won't be any less true, you're literally sitting here running interception and making the dude's point for him.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not American. But when I was in the country I was quite politically engaged. I guess I just wonder what they, or even you, think qualifies as motivating action, because they've never responded in the past.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure how 'motivating action' factors in to the belief that the Democratic party can change. That the Democratic party is changing, especially when looking at the recent wins for the left.

    You'd need to help me understand what your point is. If your point is 'Blue MAGA' then I'd have to disagree, I have faith in men like Mamdani and young leftists to change the Democratic party.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    definitely a confession in an actual legal system.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'll still vote blue begrudgingly, but I have very very VERY little faith in Dem leadership will do anything meaningful like putting the current administration in prison. I'm already expecting to be massively disappointed in the Dems doing fuck all if they gain power back. Love to be proved wrong, but establishment Dems still hold the party and you can't trust any of those stock trading bastards.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's why you need to vote for the farthest left primary hand didn't matter how "unelectable" or "extreme" you were told they are because electing more centrists is the same as just selecting more Republicans

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    putting the current administration in prison.

    What powers, exactly, do you think they'd have if elected? They can investigate but they do not have the ability to put people in prison. The legislature and judiciary are separate branches.

    If we're not stupid enough to refuse to vote again, we're just going to go back to spouting these impossible expectations and then blaming Democrats when they can't do it.

    If they don't investigate anything then sure, they deserve to be criticized to hell and back.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    He has way more confidence in them than I do.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I would like to see some public whipping... Maybe couple of hangings...

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    It's time to put pedos in jail, not in office.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Scrolling past I thought that was a new Tim Heidecker character

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Democrats won't, but progressives sure will.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ever shoot clay pigeons? do you think we could build a clay pidgeon launcher that could shoot a pedo human? Just a physics question.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, that's....how it works.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    No it doesn't. Democrats don't do that. At least not well

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, blue could win everything. They could have a supermajority in both chambers of Congress and pack the Supreme court to have an undeniable majority

    And the Democrats would still ensure that no other conservatives see any kind of consequences.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Your tired defeatism is what they are hoping for.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I wasn't going for tired defeatism, perhaps I didn't communicate well enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I think you summed it up. Except there certainly will be prosecutions of a few mid level people; like before. I do remember the trials.

    Some people feel like if one is hopeful enough, the positive energy will rub off nationally.

    However the only way to reform a country is to be realistic

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    As I've been telling any Democratic Coward/ MAGA Quisling that crosses my path: If that happens, it's your fault.

    Statements like that give them permission to do nothing, and tells them that you will do nothing if they do nothing. And that's exactly what they'll do - Nothing. YOU are a "Strongly Worded Letter Democrat."

    But the Citizens aren't doing nothing. Were taking the steps required to make the changes we all want. Right now, progressives are beating incumbents in primaries all over the country. In the Midterms, many of them will win, including several flips from MAGA Red to Progressive Blue. And once they're in office, there will be changes in leadership, and a new direction.

    Those are steps we need to take, and the first one is already successfully under way. These new Dems are NOT going to sit back while DINO leadership defers to MAGA in everything.

    IF you truly want the Dems to stand up to MAGA, then DEMAND that, not give them permission to fail, again.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    It's even worse, Mikey. We're going to PUNISH y'all for your crimes, and y'all been doing a LOT of criming lately.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    They might even wag their finger at them!

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