Should be the employer paying their employee for doing their job, not the customer

Taxes not included is insane.

Yeah the combo of tips + taxes is enough to throw any european off. 13% where I am, so mentally disregarding the final price presented and then adding 33% on top of that is a huge difference than paying the number the items added up to on the receipt, and then tipping if the service was excellent.

I think State taxes are lower than my provincial tax generally, but its a big shoft mentally. You have to fundamentally accept and financially reward a system that considers underpaying its employees completely normal and actively resists improvements for those employees.

These days I've seen people trying to push 30% to 40% as the minimum tip. Either that or they sneak it in with service charges or gratuity fees with a suggestion of a 25% tip on top.

i do not tip the tax.

North americans are so stupid that some restautants tried in canada and the US to simplify things

menu-price = food + taxes + 20% tip

Final bill ends up being the same price as before but people saw bigger number and freaked out...

They'd rather be lied to by the menu price and then scammed for tips at the very end rather than have clear and transparent pricing....

I dont want to live on this planet anymore

Hold on. Is there no tax on the tip?

I live in Central Europe too but I have almost the opposite experience. The way I see it is that tipping culture is way worse in the US but we were always bad here aswell and we're inching towards them every year. Honestly I also doubt that service industry people are not getting fucked almost everywhere in Europe.

THIS. I enjoy tipping for good service, when it's above-and-beyond. But a living wage shouldn't depend on a surprise tax levied 100% of the time. I worked as a waiter and I was pretty good. I enjoyed the tips I earned, but I worked in a country where the wage for a waiter was the same as a cook, and tips were excellent gravy for me and the BoH heroes who made me look good.

What if as a customer I am not satisfied with the product? I certainly will not leave a tip and it may not be the employee's fault, but he is the only one who will not be paid. Once, slavery was allowed by the US Constitution, today paying employees almost nothing and relying on tips is allowed by US law. I know it's not the same (not even close), but how do employees feel when they work, are not paid, and depend on the kindness of the customer?

Alternative headline: Europeans dumped 23 metric tons of trash in front of business owner's McMansion to demand fair wages and job security for workers.

Me as someone not from the US: why would you pay even 10% for anything below exceptional let alone a mediocre job? I am not going to subsidise their employer.

15% for a good job, 10% for a mediocre job, 5% for anything below

I maybe make a 10% bonus if my department absolutely smashes sales numbers.... i cant imagine getting 15% for doing my job normally (i consider doing a "good job" to be my normal output) or even getting 5% for doing "below" mediocre...

In fact, in most jobs, doing below mediocre work usually gets you fired, not bonuses

Employers are giving you the option of cheating the employee and you are taking them up on it, claiming to be fighting the system, by cheating the employee.

Think about that, just because millions of cheating self interested half wits and tools and jerks agree with you, doesn't mean you are right. You are cheating working people under a false pretense. If you don't like tipping that much, don't patronize establishments that use it.

No.

Generally the historical rule is sit down restaurants only, where someone serves you, or tip a driver if your food gets delivered.

So even if you sit down, if you got up to collect your food and/or bussed your dishes yourself then it's not expected.

At bars generally you tip on all drinks, though I'd say less if all they did was open something and/or pour. Definitely tip on cocktails though.

That being said two things have happened in the past 6 years:

• there was a lot of community support to tip on take out orders during Covid to help local places survive. A lot of places still expect this on take out nowadays which is a shame. That being said I still like supporting local places so tip when I can, but less than I would sitting in and dining there.
• with everyone moving to electronic point of sales systems the owners of lots of places of "fast food" or coffee shops these days are now setting them up so they ask for tips after any transaction, and in many cases where they previously didn't ask, those tips are not going to staff, just being collected by the owners which may be illegal in some places. Not to mention they always have three suggested tip rates, and there's no legal rule they be set to anything specific or they be in any order. So one place may be 15%, 18%, 20%, and another place may be 25%, 23%, 20%. So if you're used to hitting the first option (generally used to be 15%) automatically now you're way over-tipping your usual amount. This results in customers just not returning if they realized what happened, hurting the overall business. But like most owners / marketers they can't see past the next quarter or so of transactions and don't care about long term.

Sow division and create engagement. It is working extremely well. I am so fucking tired of seeing this article reposted over and over.