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[–] 138 points 4 months ago (4 children)

"Are we going to let them take over the party?"

They fuggen better

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

    -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, leader of the Democratic party at its most popular and most powerful

    They should try to heed the wisdom of their predecessor, or they can instead demonstrate how far the party has fallen.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    They're not going to "let them" do anything. The progressives are taking over the party whether the establishment want them to or not, because the progressives are the ones with their voters' needs in mind, who serve their constituents over corporate donors.

    The mandate from the masses, the consent of the governed, all those lofty ideals that underpin democracy give the advantage to progressives. The only way the Democratic Party establishment holds onto power over the next few election cycles is by abandoning democracy.

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  • [–] 91 points 4 months ago

    Democratic elections happening and selecting candidates that aren't from your carefully prepared inner circle? Unbelievable! It was the their turn?!!

    Guards!! GUARDS!!!

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  • [–] 86 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    They let Trump take over the country...

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (29 children)

    People who voted for Trump or chose not to vote let Trump take over the country.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    And what about the democrats who refused to put Trump in prison for trying to overthrow the government and raping children?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    @YoureHotCupCake @SatansMaggotyCumFart Huh? The democrats didn't refuse to put the asshole in prison. There were impeachment hearings. The maggots didn't want to put their violent-rapist daddies in prison (other than Cheney and Kinzinger).

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    You mean the trials that got put on hold because Americans decided they didn’t give a shit so they voted Trump back in?

    Those trials?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes, the ones that should have happened, didn't happen and weren't going to happen because Biden hired a Republican to be AG. Those trials.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That's not what happened at all. He was convicted on 34 counts, but Cannon refused to do her job and pass sentence.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    That's not fair to voters. Two elections in a row the democrats put forward candidates who were way too far right, and essentially told everyone to suck it up and vote for them anyways. You can hardly blame people for not voting. I'm not American, but I don't know if I would have voted in election either.

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  • [+] -9 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    You’re in dreamland if you think Biden and Harris are far right.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm in Canada. Most of your democrats would have to run as conservatives here. And even Obama was drone-striking kids in the middle east, so maybe the lenses through which we look at the world are different.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Deal with your residential schools and get back to me about improving our country after.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe you should brush up on your history before tossing around comments like that. (And that's not giving a pass to residential schools)

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I mean they did help commit a genocide you can't really get any further right than that.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This is why American politics are fucked.

    If Harris was president I guarantee you Israel would at least be restrained like they were when Biden was president.

    There’s a reason that fuck Netanyahu wanted Trump to win and it’s not because the two parties are the same.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    What restraint? Under Biden they killed countless and completely destroyed Gaza. Israel got everything they wanted from Biden who need I remind you supported Israel for 40 years while in the government.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Like every other politician until last year?

    But things ramped up a hundred times after Trump got power.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    For some reason a lot of people seem to think "putting conditions on defensive weaponry that can be withheld if they're being misused too egregiously" and "no conditions, full-throttle, actively encouraging ethnic cleansing and war crimes" are the same.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Israel was propping up the "genocide joe" smear campaign the whole time. Do we think social media algorithms promoted that content organically, as if those algorithms are designed to show people content that they're interested in over content that the titans want them to see?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Leftists think they’re right, right wingers think they’re communists.

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  • [–] 76 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    One Democratic lawmaker sitting in a battleground district told CNN that they are so concerned about the rise of the Democratic Socialists of America that they have recently begun having serious conversations with donors about leaving the party altogether.

    The fact that their impulse is to get their donors opinions instead of their constituents is why they need to be primaried.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Exactly, the only question anybody needs to be asking them is who's interests do you actually represent? Because it's become increasingly obvious that donors of certain Dems have basically hired them to fumble the ball and enable Republicans stay in power.

    I think American Oligarchs realized decades ago that creating the conditions that lead to voter apathy and provide credibility to "both sides" arguments, would probably be a cheaper and more effective strategy than convincing a majority of people to actually vote against their own interests.

    Not to mention this threat to leave the party bullshit is basically the same as the threat to leave California and NYC bc of wealth tax. Fucking go then and don't let the door hit you on the way out, because you're probably responsible for ~95% of the problem. All you've done is exploit people and help weaken democracy.

    Anybody who believes it makes a lick of fucking sense to keep pretending the U.S. is the greatest country in the world and social safety nets are unnecessary, (while most Americans are now struggling to afford groceries, let alone healthcare and education), has already switched teams. They might as well put on their "corporations R people 2!" jersey and own who they've been representing this whole time.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Anybody who believes it makes a lick of fucking sense to keep pretending the U.S. is the greatest country in the world and social safety nets are unnecessary...has already switched teams.

    YUP. And the most infuriating part is that, since about Reagan, the left bave been the ones that been told we must acquiesce to centrists, that we couldn't win elections without, "moderates," that we had to accommodate Clinton and the third-way crowd.

    Now, after a decade of slow declined followed by a decade of rapid collapse, it's clear that the centrists can't win in this political landscape. Do the party leaders see where the wind is blowing, listen to the voters, follow the progressives' victories, and tack to the left? Nope! They act as though pushing for social spending and welfare programs, AKA what the Democratic party stood for since FDR, is some sort of betrayal.

    Moving to the right? "Look, we need a big tent, but we're all on the same team!" Moving back to the left in the slightest? "Fuck you, I'm quitting the team."

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  • Democrats have been self sabotaging in a doomed attempt to play catch up with the right since Reagan's election because they mistakenly thought Carter's defeat was a reflection of true public opinion. By moving closer to the center and trying to distance themselves from the mudslinging and reputation of being "radical socialist/communist/marxists/pc/multicultural/woke/etc." and catering to corporate interests, they thought the could replicate what the right did to reach the common man and being people under that "big tent."

    Except, Reagan's election was actually due to batshit levels of manipulation of public opinion in addition to the propaganda/advertisement campaign funded by a coalition of wealthy and powerful corporate interests. Literally the man who created the concept of a tax shelter, and had been undermining democracy and progress in the United States since FDR's New Deal (and likely long before that), got Reagan elected and became his first CIA director.

    Mainly just a bunch of rich assholes with too much hoarded money and power who despised the idea of being taxed to help pay for public resources and services.

    Meanwhile, while the Dems were falling for propaganda and losing their own support while trying to cater to corporate interests and bring everyone under one big tent, behind the scenes, Republicans were literally being coached by political strategist and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation Paul Weyrich, to never give an inch and never compromise.

    And now here we are in 2026, with the federal government on the verge of complete collapse and corporate interests holding all the money and power necessary to take over if/when that happens.

    No more pesky taxes, regulations, consumer protections, safety nets or labor laws. Ultimately the last nail in Democracy's coffin.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    who’s interests do you actually represent?

    Hmm, let's see

    they have recently begun having serious conversations with donors about leaving the party altogether.

    Not a word there about constituents.

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Let them take over? You must not be familiar with how a republic works.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well therein lies the difficulty of the timing of this matter. If the Dems decide that democracy isn't working out for them they might be open to Trumps plans to dismantle the democracy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    @Akasazh @AshMan85 Is this a test because if they do that, we'll never know about it. Like Sandra Day O'Connor voting with republican scotuses to give the election to GWB not Gore ... I learned that near her or after her death. Grrrr

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  • [–] 62 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "Let them" ? Excuse me?

    Mother fucker in a real democracy YOU don't have any say in the matter. What you're seeing happen is the will of the people. Yes, you will "let us" vote for the candidates that we want to vote for.

    Try to take that away, it's about all we (barely) have left. See what happens.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    American political parties aren't public institutions, their inner workings are beholden to nobody but their paymasters. It's a rotten problem so old everyone's stopped noticing the smell

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You already did, by refusing to listen to constituents. They’ve taken over, and that’s good.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "Oh my God! What if they take over and start doing things that actually benefit people?"

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Really just yelling the quiet part to the nosebleeds, aren’t they?

    It was never about helping their constituents. The moment someone outside of their inner circle becomes popular, the facade drops and it’s all about voting ‘correctly’ and the popular person ‘stealing’ the vote.

    At least they pretended to not be vicious ghouls who don’t care about actual humans when they skipped over Bernie to hand the election to Trump.

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago

    "them" are the constituents and if they're taking over the party, it's working as intended.

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  • [–] 63 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Status quo democrats right now.

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    Controlled opposition cries that actual opposition is taking some Ws. Keep them crying. Or just hang them.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    "Many of us believe, as I do, that if you’re a socialist, you’re not a Democrat.”

    Why thank you, no I am not.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    Ideally? Yes! This needed to happen when the Tea Party took over the Republicans, it's long overdue!

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Let's hope they don't get a say.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    The Democratic Party is a private institution that is not obligated to follow the will of their voters. If their divergence from national policy polling is not enough to prove that, it was stated directly by their lawyers during the lawsuits related to their suppression of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I absolutely agree. I want to be clear. I hope the DNC gets no say on the future of the American left. They fumbled it.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    This what you get got not listening. Cry some more. I look forward to the downfall. Socialists will rise because the DNC fell deep into greed.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    “Obviously, the socialists had a big win last night. The question is, are we going to let them take over the party? Or are we going to stand up and fight back?” said Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, a moderate Democrat who has criticized Mamdani’s politics and how he’s addressed allies of Israel. “Many of us believe, as I do, that if you’re a socialist, you’re not a Democrat.”

    Get fucked Josh, also...

    A democrat (lowercase "d") is broadly defined as a person who advocates for democracy and believes in the principles of political or social equality.

    The name of your party, would disagree with your assessment. Also, the fact that your party used to represent the Jim Crow south and opposed civil liberties for non-whites, while, thankfully, it is now the one championing (at least comparatively against the Republicans) racial civil liberties and equality, means that your party has changed before and changed for the better. It changed to more closely align to the definition of the word. It can and will continue to change becuase, famously, change is the only thing that is permanent. And hopefully it changes to align even closer still to that definition. If you think you are representing equality while championing capitalism, corporatocracy, military dominance, and supporting apartheid and genocide states, well you need to either get a reality check or lose your job. And if your party is full of asshats like you, it might need an overhaul.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    Maybe all Dem centrists can finally move to the Republican Party where they belong

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    “If you ask me, it was not a good night for New York,” Rep. Greg Meeks, a powerful New York Democrat who is close with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, told CNN..

    ... Meeks added: “Instead of us making sure we put all of our resources to fight Republicans and to fight Donald Trump, we’re using it to fight each other. It just doesn’t make common sense to me.”

    So close to a revelation...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It's all fucking power plays. They get it, but giving their base what they want means taking a step back and these ghouls want the power and money more than they want a healthy republic.

    The current Democrats have the same morals as the current GOP, it's only the fact their base would totally rebel that keeps them from sucking Trump's toes.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Fuck these lazy politicians sitting there towing no fucking line and making tons of money. Yes. They will change your party your tired politics of all for me a none for thee needs to go.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Rather than meeting voters where they are, leadership dems plot to suppress would-be future leaders. Same playbook they used on Bernie in 2020.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Keep going. This is the only way you're going to get any change short of all-out civil war.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Not your choice. Sucks to suck

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao no you stupid idiots, you killed the party through years of hard work.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What's crazy is the Democrats in power could have protected their seats with just a modicum of spine when it comes to trump. Something just slightly more than a strongly worded letter would have kept many casual "I-don't-follow-politics" voters blinded. But they are so incompetent that they couldn't even do that. And now they are surprised when they get challenged on it?????

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    If there was ever any doubt that the DNC was bought and paid for this ought to remedy that, when faced with a popular platform they fear how their opposition’s adherents

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    If that's what the people want, yes.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    If you want to win the next election, I'd advise you to seriously consider it.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    They'd better

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    AIPAC and fascist Israeli interests are not welcome. Bye Felicia

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    No, they won’t let us.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Step out of the way.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    "Top Democrats" looking more like "Bottom Democrats" every day now. 🤣

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