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Under proposed rule, USPS won't deliver mail ballots to states that don't provide voter rolls, postmaster general says (www.pbs.org)
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Postmaster General David Steiner told a Senate committee Wednesday that, if a proposed rule is adopted, the U.S. Postal Service would withhold mail ballots from states that do not hand over to the federal government lists of people who have requested absentee or mail ballots.

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[–] [S] 112 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Personally, I'm curious how they intend to apply this to states like mine, where all ballots are mailed.

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  • [–] 54 points 4 months ago*

    I presume the GOP will just appoint people to represent you. Don't worry, it'll be totally in your best interests, as decided by the rich people running the party.

    Do you like being owned as farm equipment? Because that's what you get when right wingers take over.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    Damn, your state doesn't even have drop boxes?

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Oh, we do. I meant that all of the ballots get mailed to voters before the election. We can either mail them back (postage paid) or drop them off at drop boxes in every district. It's a pretty awesome system, but if the USPS refuses to deliver the ballots it could be a problem. The state would have to figure out some other way to distribute them. It would be a huge PITA (not to mention expense) and probably reduce voter turnout significantly.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In Oregon where we've been vote by mail since like the 90s you can still vote in person. But we don't really have the infrastructure to allow every voter to vote in person. If those ballots don't get mailed out I imagine most Oregonians just won't vote, and those that do are going to be stuck in never ending lines.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Personally, I’m curious how they intend to apply this to states like mine, where all ballots are mailed.

    ...probably reduce voter turnout significantly.

    Asked and answered.

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    [–] 60 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Anyone supporting this should be hanged. Or guillotined. I'm ok with either.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Both, in that order.

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    • [–] 50 points 4 months ago

    So...extortion? Got it.

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    [–] 39 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    How in the fuck is this okay or legal?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There's no difference between a law not existing and a law not enforced

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You guys completely missed it. The Supreme Court, months ago, ruled the postal service doesn’t have to deliver mail and can’t be sued for not delivering mail. It was over a long time ago. Americans are just too brainwashed to see what’s actually happening in their country.

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    • [–] 29 points 4 months ago*

    Video of Postmaster General saying USPS won't send mail ballots to states that don't provide voter lists

    https://lemmy.world/post/48632196

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    [–] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder if they realize that blatantly breaking the law to serve the Cheeto-in-Chief will leave them all hanging out to dry.

    Trump got rules in place to protect him from prosecution, all his idiots are still on the hook, and statue of limitations is longer than a presidential term ;)

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Pardon pardon pardon pardon

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    didnt trump already normalize the revocation of pardons

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    And overusing exective orders.

    It would be funny if the next guy signed one saying all of trumps executive orders are null. It won't happen because dems love this shit as much as republicans they just won't say it out loud.

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    • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I would imagine that, in vote by mail states like mine, we would instantly have tens of thousands of volunteers going "Cool, cool... we'll hand deliver them. Fuck you USPS."

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    you can bring them to your voting place directly. thats what I did in the primary because he was already talking this trump.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is people getting them in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    holy trump. I did not even realize this was talking about them being sent out. My brain was thinking in terms of delivering them to the polling place. That is massively wack. The post office just won't deliver a particular mail.

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    • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Enemy Domestic

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    [–] 5 points 4 months ago

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    [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    The game is "do illigal action, ask for forgiveness/ make it legal later." Ok, we'll start killing the ultra rich and thier loyalist boot lickers, guards and pawns, and make it legal later then. :D

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    [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    https://newrepublic.com/post/212366/trump-mail-in-ballots-ruling-midterms-obama-judge

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    [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I'm not american. Is there some other way they could be delivered without USPS? Do any states have their own postage system that could handle this?

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    [+] -28 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    Cut the fucking USPS off the loop and put a voting system in place over the internet. We're a quarter century into the 21st ferchrissake...

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  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    No. Honestly we should be going far as possible from computers so that tech bros can't rig the vote as easily. Paper ballots. With humans counting them. Sucks, but safer for democracy

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that's a cellphone with an internet connection.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There is literally no known method of securing something as important as an election over the internet. So many attack vectors and has the ability to manipulate massive amounts of votes. Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.

    Not when the dude in charge of delivering the paper works for a fascist regime it isn't, is my point.

    I never said voting over the internet was a good option, I said it was the next least bad option when the snail mail service is compromised.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that’s a cellphone with an internet connection.

    This is an exceedingly bad idea.

    That would drastically increase the attack surface for voter fraud. I can just see the Russian Malware now that shows you on your cell phone screen that your votes were cast for your candidates while the malware voted for its candidates instead. You'd never even know your vote was stolen.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    Election fraud. Not "voter" fraud. The former is when politicians/bureaucrats rig the system to cheat, whereas the latter is overwhelmingly a fictional boogeyman invented to spread FUD and/or misdirect attention away from the former.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Yes, and I feel totally safe with that because nobody has figured out how to steal all the money from your phone-wallet just by walking by you with an NFC scanner, or figured out how to run viruses on your phone just by texting you an image, or figured out how to intercept and manipulate traffic from your phone, or figured out how to... I think you get the point. Anything electronic is easily manipulated.

    If the low tech paper system is compromised, then the high tech system is even more easily compromised.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    that would likely be run by the executive. I do think congress should move many departments to be under congress with it being clear the president is just a day to day manage. much like the ceo and board of directors thing.

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