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[–] 83 points 1 year ago (56 children)

came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.

I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    We log this information for a whole host of reasons. Many parents sadly don't get the chance to speak to an educator in depth to discuss their kids day, tracking medical needs, etc. A lot of parents don't even look at this, but it's useful to have if it's ever needed.

    My only complaint, and this extends to all the genuinely important paper work we have to do is that we never get enough time to be off floor to do it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Some parents don't have time. You knock off work, pick the kids up, and get home and prepare dinner so they can get to bed at a decent time. If you have older kids who need to get to other places, then there's another constrain. If you need to get to the shops or bank or something you have to cut some tasks out to meet your priorities.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    And just to be clear, you believe that this would take less time away from the other children?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    with that person, no, but you can get all the info out to the parent and have an actual conversation with the people that care for your child. Like I said mgmt would be able to grab those children that need watching with those care givers talking to parents. The idea you think this is the better option is my issue. Its just parents who wanna look for others to blame yet they wouldnt spend 5 min a day to talk to the person they leave the child with.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Management can not just slot in to replace an educator.

    Especially not when you have 6 rooms of adults picking their kids up after finishing work at 5.

    The simple matter of fact is there is not enough time to talk to ~20 families each evening and give a summary of their kids day.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    If nothing unusual happened you don't need a summary. When I was getting picked up my conversation with my dad was "how was school?", "fine" 99% of the time. If I got sick or injured myself, sure, explain, but that was rare. Same for most of the other kids.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, that’s not sufficient. I’m sorry you were let down by the educational standards at the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I turned out fine so it clearly was. Not sure how my parents knowing a minute by minute breakdown of every time I wiped my ass would have improved anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I turned out fine so it clearly was.

    Not everyone else did.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    That’s the same excuse people who hit their kids use. You could have turned out even better, with better care and education.

    As for tracking nappy changes, it can help with assessing any health issues and tracking long term trends, it’s useful for toileting as we can see how frequently and volume of accidents to help understand their needs for prompting, it’s useful for parents to know if for example they’re going out straight away and need to change before hand, and it’s useful for child protection (our records show that this educator changed the nappy at the time of the incident etc).

    Now maybe you never ever needed any of this, that’s great but it still helps other people. Helicopter parenting is not letting your children go play with friends and driving them to piano lessons at age 3, it’s not checking a nappy record every now and then.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (33 children)

    Agreed on the diaper change one, but the first half is literally what you said with a timestamp. The nap one is important because if they did or didn't nap, you can adjust what you do after

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (31 children)

    yeah but you are pulling their attention for that, logging that is time they are not dealing with children.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    ...do you think they aren't dealing with other children during pickups?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So the same doesn’t apply for doing logging, which takes less time?

    Also, stuff gets forgotten, with a log done right away, stuff isn’t forgotten. You think as you say one person can remember the issues of 30 different kids?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    you would think they would have all these other workers that can cover while you talk to the parent.

    So, literally the exact same scenario as the logging, except it takes 10-100x as long?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    but with human interaction and a back and forth conversation. Also it seems that one friend of mine who has this option at the daycare they use in nashville the caregivers do have a one on one with the parent when picking up. So its not just weird, but also redundant.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    How long do you think it takes to log? That would take maybe 5 seconds max unless the ui is horrendous.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each (lets hope they just have to click a button and not add fucking notes to each one) so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up. God forbid its a real winner of a day and every other child is just walking into walls and tripping all over the place. I am sure they need this dumb shit added to their workload.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    so like 5 min an hour just logging shit they could spend with the parent when they pick them up

    Talking with parents takes far, far, far longer than logging something on your phone or a tablet. How is this idea not just a significantly worse time-sink?

    That's not even getting into the fact that things get forgotten throughout the day - you're absolutely not getting a full report while they're panicking and dealing with 20 other parents while also keeping the kids still there safe.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    … there’s limits to how many children can be watched by a single caretaker, it’s like 7 in most jurisdictions. So while there’s 30 kids, there’s other caretakers who can watch, or their workload isn’t so bad that 30 seconds to log all kids is gonna be an issue,

    You clearly have no experience with this, so why are speaking up?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What federal limit are you referencing? Federally funded Early Head Start classes serving students under 36 months old must have two teachers with no more than 8 children (4:1 ratio). CFR 1302.21(b)(2). Kids in diapers will probably be under 36 months.

    Many states have their own requirements.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    So you want the caretaker to spend 5-10 minutes chatting to you instead of spending a few seconds logging?

    Who’s watching the other kids while the caretaker has all their attention on you during pickup?

    Your suggestion takes more time and leaves less time to spend are taking other kids.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.

    Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Most daycares don't have that sort of volume of children for it to be an issue, I'd imagine. 30 kids isn't a daycare, that's like 3 kindergarten classrooms.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They're spending that time doing diaper changes. They're not attending to the other kids regardless.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I would think that they dont stack a caregiver that hard with infants and full on running 2+ year olds. But I still would rather them just spend a few min talking to me then having to log shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say "just," but your request is at least 10x as expensive.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's like you haven't read a single reply

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.

    You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.

    I'm the one arguing that they don't deserve to be your slave... I'm sorry you feel entitled to so much of their time. They're overworked, understaffed, and have to deal with so many entitled parents.

    Logging in the moment saves them literal hours. It also doesn't mean you can't talk to them, it just means you can focus on the important parts instead of wasting time that could be spent focusing on the children.

    This one is mostly unrelated, but seems important: Do you think everyone's memory is infallible, or that daycare workers are superheroes?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I also think it’s dystopian but it is quite helpful information to know when they were fed and/or napped. If you pick up your child and they are unusually hungry or tired, etc it can be helpful. I doubt the caretakers have time to talk to each parent or they change shifts. Paper forms are popular at less fancy places

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Let's not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.

    Assuming the diapers aren't tracked by barcode and there isn't an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!

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