There is a whole industries to radicalize men. They try to get them hooked with "women don't want to date me" and get them on the social media conveyor belt towards becoming a good right wing radical that's immune to any logic.

Men have got to get their shit together. Just show a bit of empathy, bro! It’s not that hard, humans are literally wired for it.

There's a concept from the autism community called the double empathy problem which posits that counter to the mainstream narrative that people with autism are lacking/missing empathy, autistic people do have empathy. The theory suggests that the brains of autistic individuals processes information and stimuli so dramatically differently from 'neurotypical' people that neurotypical people are typically unable to accurately understand what is going on in the neurodiverse mind and vice versa. It suggests that empathy seems to most easily work neurodiverse-to-neurodiverse and neurotypical-to-neurotypical which to me makes sense.

Now there are certainly plenty of people in the modern world who seem unable to display any form of empathy, but this theory does highlight that empathy isn't a binary and depends on your ability to understand the mind of another.

There is no single way to be empathetic, and it is entirely possible that one person thinks they are being empathetic when in fact they are being antagonistic to the other. My point is that empathy can look different to different groups.

You can’t put that on the women.

I wasn't putting it on the women. The idea that women can have personal preferences and prefer certain men over others is not "putting it on the women". I think that sort of interpretation is dangerous thinking, the sort of thing a person would say if they saw themselves as an "incel".

Absolutely don’t put that on women, but it is a mental illness so you can’t ask them to get their shit together they need help.

So it's a societal issue rather than men not pulling their bootstraps enough?

failing that, a life of imprisonment far from the people they’re a danger to

I'm just going to leave this here, it's a good book that might be worthwhile reading: Violence: Reflections on a National Epidemic - James Gilligan

over here in Real World Land, what will happen is those women will get abused, physically and sexually

I wasn't talking about that because it was an impossible hypothetical designed to show one aspect. Just the idea of forcing women to date men is abusive in itself. You don't need to expound on the other consequences. It was already horrible, but I was making a point about something else.

It's like how people learn logic in elementary school. If I say, "Some birds are red," that doesn't imply that I'm saying, "No birds are blue". I said, "A certain number" of those men would turn a corner. That doesn't imply that "none" of those men would become abusive. In fact, conversely, the way that you're saying it could be read that you're saying "all" of those men would become abusive. I mean, that's what you're literally saying, but I'm sure you don't mean it, because I think there is nobody who would actually believe that.

Some of them will. Andrew Tate has over 10m twitter followers including a lot of teenagers and young men. While many of them will be inspired to commit physical and sexual violence against women, I think most of them actually won't and can and will grow out of it as they get older and have some experience with women.

Most Trump voters aren't rabid maga fanatics, they're just the visible minority. I think the same is true for Tate followers.

There is absolutely a systemic pressure radicalizing these men. It's always partly their fault, but nowhere near fully

Remember that this process almost always happens before they turn 20, and usually to young teens

They consider safety, reliability, how fun or not the person is, everything, but that everything is more practical than moral.

Being conservative is mutually exclusive with being safe.