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Majority of Canadians want fewer immigrants in 2027: Nanos (www.ctvnews.ca)

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A majority of Canadians want the country to accept fewer immigrants and temporary residents next year, according to a new Nanos Research survey commissioned by CTV News, as the country continues to grapple with immigration levels and their impact on housing, services and the economy.

The survey found that 52.3 per cent of respondents believe Canada should accept fewer immigrants and temporary residents in 2027, compared with 33.5 per cent who want the numbers to remain about the same.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Painting conservatives that question immigration policy as racists is absurd, but incredibly common on lemmy due to lemmy's left-wing bias. There can be no open discussion / dialogue on this topic, especially not on left-leaning sites that sometimes interpret discussing immigration policy with hate speech, and subsequently ban/censor people.

The survey in this context, mostly highlights how abnormal lemmy's bubble is.

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[–] quanin@lemmy.ca [S] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You know where else I heard this complaint?

Reddit.

You know who else Conservatives say is a left-leaning platform?

Reddit.

I think it's conservatism.

Also, just for the record, it is possible to discuss immigration and not be racist. You should try doing that.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

Are you implying I'm being racist already, by saying I should try discussing it without being racist? Was my previous post, highlighting how dissenting comments towards immigration policies gets typecast as racist... somehow racist? Dafuq?

Lemmy brands any conservative-sounding comment as racist on the subject. You can see that sort of trend even in this thread, where there are some people saying 'conservatives are racist' as a preface to trying to say they agree with lowered immigration levels. It's like they need to pre-emptively defend their opinions against being called a racist, just to discuss the non-lemmy default position, which is absolutely batshit insane, considering that the study your post linked to shows that it's the most common / average opinion amongst Canadians.

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[–] quanin@lemmy.ca [S] -1 points 3 days ago

Are you implying I’m being racist already, by saying I should try discussing it without being racist?

No, because you haven't been banned for being racist - at least on this account. If you have an alt you were banned for racism on, however, then yes.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

lol tell me you didn't click the link without telling me you didn't click the link.

52% of Canadians want less, and that number is static. But the number of people who were unsure but now want more or the same have increased.

All this highlights is that most people from lemmy are part of the 44% of Canadians who want the same or more immigration.

I don't know where you're getting this conservative angle. Well I do but I'm not gonna bother.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, the majority "at large" wants less. Lemmy vehemently supports more, and declares people who support the majority position as racists, and will often ban/censor such commentary. The "average"/"majority" opinion is type cast as 'racist' on lemmy.

That's.... the point I was making. Not sure where the disconnect is, or why you think I didn't read the material.

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[–] quanin@lemmy.ca [S] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

I'd like to see a source that says Lemmy matches the 44%. I've heard people say the same thing about Reddit and there were no sources for that either.

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago*

How about you cite your sources instead of bludgeoning people with personal anecdotes like you have on this thread?

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Painting conservatives that question immigration policy as racists is absurd

Why? They are racists specifically racists who got played, they are conservatives who don't want immigrants because rich people convinced them immigrants are what is suffocating them not neoliberalism.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

What race is an immigrant?

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago* (7 children)

Whatever one that scares you or you believe "just doesn't seem to want integrate into the rest of society".

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That'd be closer to something like xenophobia. Xenophobia doesn't carry the same overtly negative connotations as racism though, for obvious reasons (I think).

So why does the left frame it as racism, when its not race dependent?

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (5 children)

So why does the left frame it as racism, when its not race dependent?

Because race is a conservative construct imposed upon a reality that does not conform to its narratives and thus leftists understand xenophobia as inherently connected to racism, both are products of the same rejection of universal shared traits and quirks to humanity that outweigh the details of where and how someone got somewhere or how their family did. To put it another way we are all too different as individuals to lump into categories of "race", the differences and similarities between us are far too vibrant to describe groups of humans that way.

The concept of "black" was constructed, racism against black people in the US created the category as a differentiator, but never did it actually have a clearly definable line that could be traced according to an internal logic along skin tone, along heritage along anything... it was always an abstract concept skewered into reality by hateful beliefs that contradicts itself constantly.

This is why xenophobia and racism are so closely linked.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sorry, to me that just sounds like reaching for explanations. The far simpler explanation is likely more accurate, which is that it's easier to mobilize resentment / drive wedges between people, if you label all conservatives, and any conservative position, as racist.

It's the same tactic used by right wingers, when they label any socially progressive approach/statement, as communism. People generally understand communism is bad. So if you can associate ideas with communism, you can get people thinking those ideas are bad, without weighing the merits of the actual argument/idea. Similarly, if you can associate an idea with racism, you can get people thinking those ideas are bad, without weight the merits of the actual argument/ideas.

It's prejudice, in either case.

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago* (3 children)

if you label all conservatives, and any conservative position, as racist.

I didn't do that though, conservatives label themselves as racists constantly and explicitly, the difference with people like me and centrists is I believe y'all when you tell me who you really are.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, I can tell that you're using the 'you' in a statement like 'I believe y'all when you tell me who you really are" as a rhetorical device, and it's not referencing me directly. I'm not sure why you wouldn't do the same for the comment that I made, and instead seem to have interpreted it as something about something 'you' did specifically.

I didn't explicitly say I was racist, nor would I ever make such a claim as I don't think of myself as a racist in anyway. I haven't even said I'm a conservative. All I've hinted at, is that I generally have the 'majority' viewpoint, that questions Canada's immigration policy / wants to see fewer immigrants.

Lemmy's user base, and some of the mods, interpret that sort of statement as me being racist/a conservative though.

I've voted green/NDP for over a decade, and am a card carrying member of green peace. I think my voting history, and charitable giving to eco organisations, would make me a very strange conservative, if I were one.

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

I think my voting history, and charitable giving to eco organisations, would make me a very strange conservative, if I were one.

shrugs I have never met a conservative I didn't find extremely strange and besides since the beginning of modern ecology movements there really wasn't much friction between racism and environmental conservation. Often... racism has been used to justify environmental conservation which isn't to say that makes you racist, just that A does not make B more or less likely in my eyes.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

You comment about logic, and yet you can't see how labeling things that aren't racism as racism is a bs tactic used to drive wedges / villanize 'conservative' positions unfairly. I think that most sane adults, would agree that someone who A) donates to green movements/charities regularly, and B) who votes Green/NDP regularly, is most likely not a conservative. I imagine you see racists everywhere, but also that your viewpoint is very narrow / niche / non-standard. A hard left mindset that's right at home on lemmy, and which may actually 'feel' like a 'moderate' mindset, compared to the even more extreme left wing views endorsed/supported here.

I think this convo's reached its natural conclusion. Good luck out there.

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