Residents are sending a clear message about the violent deportations taking place across the US this midterm cycle

Minnesota voters left “I Voted” stickers on memorial sites for Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good, the two US citizens killed by federal immigration officials earlier this year.

Pretti, a 37-year-old intensive care unit nurse at the Veterans Affairs medical center in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and Good, a writer and mother of three, were killed during a large-scale immigration enforcement operation in the Minneapolis region in January.

Donald Trump’s aggressive and violent mass deportation campaign has been a key issue for voters across the country during this midterm cycle, and has played a large part in Minnesota’s election.

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[+] -60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (49 children)

How about you leave their graves alone and let them rest instead of turning their memorial sites into a virtue signal about voting? Please don’t let any anyone like this near my grave if I die.

I don’t want you to be elected specifically , Klobuchar, I want justice, and people told me a liberal governor would be “better” and “more palatable to those interests”. So you better represent me and not Israel. You better represent George Floyd, Alex, Renee, as well as my neighbors and I. Not Ukraine. Not healthcare companies. Not oil companies. Not housing companies buying homes to make them too expensive to afford. Get to work.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    Nice Russian plant with the “Not Ukraine” in there. Interesting that you mention Israel (the aggressor in that conflict) and Ukraine (the victim of Russia) and try to equate the two somehow.

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  • [+] -22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

    I shouldn’t have to preface this by saying I don’t support Putin. Russia would have been way better off as USSR without capitalist reforms that led to Putin being in power. The Ukrainian government let fascist militias into thier actual military. There are pictures of Zelensky posing proudly with Swastika flags. I’m sorry but I do not support that and I never ever will, no matter how many times you tell me to “shut the fuck up” I’m not supporting your Neo-Nazi armies with my money.

    I forgot Lemmy gets real pissed when you mention not supporting Nazis…

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    The fact you actually believe those images are authentic says everything about your sources and your politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

    Here is one he posted himself, in the video at 25 seconds in. That symbol is called a Wolfsangel, it is used in this context as a white supremacist nationalist symbol akin to the Swastika.

    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1985695849993650627

    I know there are fake ones, but there isn’t anything to be proud of open fascist imagery and Ukraine is letting them take over the military

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    Hey wait a second. Why are you posting a video with a blurry Wolfsangel patch on some random background soldier's uniform? You literally said there are photos of Zelensky proudly posing with swastika flags. Those are the images you should be posting.

    But okay. Wolfsangel. First, having that symbol in the background of a video and saying that makes the Ukrainian military white supremacist, well, that's a tenuous argument. According to them the Wolfsangel symbol is being used in its original historical context, ie, to symbolize rebellion and freedom from tyranny. The situation they're in certainly bears out that notion. I mean, what would be the point of promoting white supremacy in a war where virtually all the soldiers involved are white?

    I'm sure you're aware most Nazi symbols were appropriated from elsewhere and turned into hateful imagery by association and a corrupting ideology. I agree with you that in a modern context it's problematic, but I stop short of calling their explanation outright bullshit. For you to unequivocally accuse them of Nazism, which echoes Russian propaganda, is suspect in itself.

    Separately, if white supremacy in the armed forces genuinely bothers you, I have some truly distressing news about many service members in your own military. I hope you're as vocal (or more, even!) with your opposition to their service as you are to that of the Ukrainians. But somehow I doubt it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

    God you guys are so stupid it’s unbearable. Sure buddy. and the 1488 tattoo on my neighbor is just a number. I know what these symbols mean

    Separately, if white supremacy in the armed forces genuinely bothers you, I have some truly distressing news about many service members in your own military. I hope you’re as vocal (or more, even!) with your opposition to their service as you are to that of the Ukrainians. But somehow I doubt it.

    Oh trust me I am. The US army is literally the biggest white supremacist army ever created. Trust me you don’t probably want to know what I think should happen to American military forces. I don’t think any of them deserve to come home. They made a choice to serve white supremacy.

    Same goes to Ukraine. Reject your Soviet history, whatever, but have Hitler tattoos in your ranks, starts to smell like Nazi apologia, possibly even utilizing and funding Neo Nazis. Same as Americans.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (1 child)

    source: Russia Today

    evidence: blurry photo

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    You think the Azov battalion being open Neo-Nazi is just fake pictures?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child)

    No, I think it's outdated info. They definitely started out that way when they were an independent militia pre-2014, no argument here, but modern researchers and historians say that's no longer the case. The Kremlin disagrees, of course. I have no doubt there are still Neo-Nazis in there, but to say that makes it an openly Neo-Nazi battalion... there are Jews and Muslims fighting in that brigade too, if that means anything to you. I guess you'll just have to decide for yourself who's more credible, the defenders or the invaders.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    there are Jews and Muslims fighting in that brigade too, if that means anything to you.

    That means nothing to me, why would they be okay with swastika flags and Hitler tattoos?

    I guess you’ll just have to decide for yourself who’s more credible, the defenders or the invaders.

    That’s not how it works, first off I don’t want my tax dollars going to Nazis. Second it should be investigated before any NATO support and so on

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (14 children)

    Not Ukraine.

    Shut the fuck up, Yuri.

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  • [+] -19 points 2 days ago (13 children)

    Ah yes, you don’t have a response so you’re just gonna be racist against russians even tho I’m a white American. Is me being not white scarier to you?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    Russians are white too, you know.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 days ago (11 children)

    Do Russians being white make you feel better about perpetuating xenophobic stereotypes?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    You can virtue signal all you want, but nobody believes you, Yuri.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 days ago* (9 children)

    Alright keep on turning your brain off, Dave. Turns out I am Russian after all, your worst nightmare. You're a Nazi apologist.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    You're a Nazi apologist.

    There it is. Thanks for outing yourself, Yuri.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

    Way to show you actually care about people, innocent people are being snatched on in the streets by Neo Nazis and you’re jerking off laughing at me, a random white guy, and running defense for Nazis who kidnap children for your meat grinder. I bet you love it and you want it to continue because again, you are less afraid of literal Swastika flying Nazis.

    Keep calling me a foreign name because you hate foreign people, I get it Dave. celebrate your elected officials being pro war, Dave. When you believed Nazi army loses and zelensky is hung with Putin I’ll be the one laughing while we forcible remove all your Nazi tattoos, Dave.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (6 children)

    Hey, go ahead and say my name s few nore times, Yuri, and add a few more typos too while you're at it. Maybe then someone will be stupid enough to believe that you believe what you're saying.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Someone who is stupid would believe me more if I had more typos? Don’t get upset at me, Dave! You almost had that epic finishing line, Dave :)

    Your swastika tat is showing! I can’t wait to scrape it off ya Dave ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (3 children)

    I love how you keep calling me a Nazi while making sure to tell me you're white, when, because I'm not a Nazi, I don't give a fuck what race you claim to be. You're doing nothing but following the Russian troll playbook. But, because you don't really understand anything, you only serve to show how ignorant and brainwashed you are.

    Keep it up though, maybe you'll get potato in your soup tonight, Yuri. Fingers crossed that you don't get sent to Ukraine to die for a despot.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    No, comrade, Kremlin has not given good talking points yet. I do not get good cool American food because I am not good enough conscript soldier yet Comrade. Glory to mother Russia, Comrade Dave, you have tripped my communist sensors, I haev to go comment more meaningless fodder on Democratic Party of American peoples to get you not to vote as part of my master communist Russian plan, comrade David! Your amazing cool American liberal man powers haev stricken my Iron Heart, comrade Dave. Pay no attention to my red flag painted blue, comrade David. I am good American Democratic Party man and not Russian robot BEEP BOOP

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Aww, you're trying so hard for nothing.

    Try not to ally with the Nazis and invade Poland.

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    Comrade Dave, I urge you to read history! If you hate glorious leader Putin so much you should understand Soviet history and how its dissolution led to oligarchy, comrade David! And Ukrainian fascists leaning away from Soviet history has led to Neo Nazi armies receiving power and wealth, David!

    民族主义和法西斯主义是祸害。纳粹分子必将被清除,无论他们是否是乌克兰人。Whoops beep boop that’s my Chinese bot hardware kicking in Mr American David 你是纳粹。 I Have fixed my spelling and grammar errors for you, comrade David! Please do join me again in cool American English Conversation again, comrade David!

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    No. How about you respect the dead instead of using them as props for your party. Liberals really are sick sometimes.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (10 children)

    Respecting the dead is taking action to honour them, all the shit you're yapping about is downstream from the act of voting whether your idealism likes it or not, this is the system we have. Your self-rightious bloviating in the name of the dead is vanity plain and simple, so shut the fuck up and stop grandstanding to people who are doing their best.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    "People like me"

    Point to where I ever said any of that shit you just slopped at me.. Then when you realize that I didn't, and you're just projecting at me to create a pallatable strawman to coddle your little insecurities, point that fucking finger up your ass.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Relax. I’m trying to have a serious conversation. If your “action” you meant in your original comment means only Voting for democrats, I only mean to warn you they aren’t much better on ICE/police policy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Don't condescend to me like I'm not watching what's fucking going on after coming at these comments like some self-righteous arbiter of truth and morality. I will relax when I don't have some asshole on lemmy griping about people who are actually out there using what power they have to try to influence future outcomes for the better in this increasingly despotic fascist regime. I fucking hope you're out there phonebanking for progressive canditates and engaging with officials about how desperately we cannot allow status quo fuckery to block the action you claim to want now that there's some power to affect it, cause if not you can continue to fuck all the way off, and frankly, even if you are you can goddamn well check yourself up in here.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    I said relax dude. There’s no use being so angry. I’m way past phone banking lmfao. I mean organization in unions or at food banks. Yes we have to force the state to give us funding but again that goes beyond phone banking.

    Instead of wasting time on harassing staffers with phone calls spend that time joining your local rent strike. Some asshole removed at you on Lemmy about the blue wave isn’t the problem you think it is, go out and actually hold them to it, not just a phone call.

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  • [–] 1 point 23 hours ago (4 children)

    You seem to be confused, I do not give a fuck what you said I should do, and I never asked for your wanrings or judgements or advice, so keep that shit to yourself, and let's agree to go our separate ways.

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  • [–] -1 points 15 hours ago* (2 children)

    I know it hurts to be told you aren’t doing enough, but you can handle it. It’s time to be an adult and fight before the situation for poor, disenfranchised people gets worse. Working within the establishment has gotten me nowhere, if you don’t care then you’re just another one of the millions who don’t. But I do.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Don't kid yourself, you are not changing anyone's life on here by condescending and asserting some kind of moral superiority, and your charade of self-aggrandizement is vile. I'm truly uninterested in your 'insights' or judegements and projections on my charcter. As far as I have seen you're a naracissist who wants to police and gatekeep the community using civility as a shield, which is the playbook of conservatism, we have nothing else to talk about.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago*

    I have done nothing to attack your character, if you read our exchanges You are the one saying “fuck you” to me and telling me to “fuck off” and that “nobody cares about me or my praxis” before calling me a narcissist.

    I mean not to attack your character only the premise of putting “I voted” on a grave of people killed by state violence.

    If putting I voted stickers on the graves of these people makes you feel better, sure, go do it again, I find it disrespectful but it’s not a popular opinion in this thread, obviously.

    I’m not changing anyone’s life on the internet. I’m advocating for changing your methods of action. I’m sorry but if all you do is vote, door knock and call your senators you aren’t doing enough. If you don’t wanna read it you don’t have to, but again you swore and insulted me, and I am trying to reach civility in my message.

    Poor people, POC, unions, even protests holding both Dems and ESPECIALLY conservatives accountable all need your help and your support and your mind & body in the street. Don’t leave them in the dust now that this blue wave has hit. This is a real opportunity to derail the gigantic fascist movement and you’re worried about one person on the Internet and how I’m conducting myself.

    Again if you’re so pissed you don’t have to respond, but expecting fascists to be civil is a bad mistake. Don’t put the ball in thier court! Do more! It’s doable I promise!

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  • [–] -1 points 15 hours ago*

    You didn’t have to respond if you’re just gonna be angry. If you tell others what to do then you expect a bit of pushback, that’s how a conversation works.

    I can’t believe you actually suggested phone banking to me and then said “I don’t give a fuck about what you do.” I know you don’t. I can tell. I know you don’t care about labor unions or striking because if you did you’d realize I spent years phone banking and door knocking to no avail.

    What got funding for my local food shelf wasn’t the dems or the state themselves, it was forcing bipartisan leaders thru a strike. If all we did was call them they would have continued to ignore us.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

    I want ice cream!

    Sorry, the ice cream parlor is closed, Hun. But I'll tell you what. Since you've been well-mannered this week, we can go to the convenience store and get candy or we can go home and have popsicles.

    No! That's bullshit. I want ice cream and fuck you for thinking that popsicles and candy are a nice consolation prize. Open a new ice cream parlor that berates anyone thats happy about popsicles on occasion! 😡

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    Its a metaphorical representation of your comment.

    People are memorializing their unnecessary deaths by showing that they went and voted against the fascists that caused it. It shows their their deaths will not be in vain and their memory serves as motivation to continue to fight for a better country. It's not just some virtue signal about going to vote. The sentiment runs a little deeper than that.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Well it makes no fucking sense to me lol. This comment does. Leave their memorial alone. Or leave flowers, not “I voted”. Democrats were in power when ice was kidnapping and killing people in Minnesota streets.

    I admit the first time I saw this I thought it meant their graves. Memorial is different, it’s definitely fucked up if anyone put “I voted” on their grave

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