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[–] 1 point 5 days ago (20 children)

Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

"Weathering the storm on foot" in your analogy means millions of people dying. You understand that, right?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (19 children)

    How? I only meant incompetent governance and economic issues (debt and inflation, etc).

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    Fair I guess, I didn't consider this.

    But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism?

    And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt?

    This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse.

    I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems.

    In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (15 children)

    Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (14 children)

    So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

    What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro.

    From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess.

    Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

    I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls.

    from a cursory LLM chat,

    Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system.

    Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (7 children)

    And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing.

    Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well.

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