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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children)

Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking.

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children)

So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire?

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here?

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro.

From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess.

Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k.

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls.

from a cursory LLM chat,

Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith.

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system.

Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations.

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children)

And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties?

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children)

A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing.

Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths?

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago

You are a dumb troll.

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children)

No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous.

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths.

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb.

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 child)

Who is deflecting now?

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago

I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time.

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago

Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur?

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago

Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well.

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