Microblog post: Not even a vegan but they’re obviously right no need to try to argue with them it’s fine to just be wrong and live your life
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[+] -6 points 6 days ago (20 children)

Unless you are Jain or just want to die, we got to eat something.

That's the thing though, why should plants be more eligible for eating than animals? Both are living. Animals are closer to us, so we can understand them better, but that doesn't mean we aren't being just as harmful to plants.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with eating another animal for sustenance. Just the same as there isn't anything wrong with eating a plant for sustenance. What matters is what we do before we eat them.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    Plants cannot think or feel as animals can. Arguing a tomato has the emotions and thought of a dog or pig is just silly.

    Killing a pig versus a tomato is not the same thing dawg

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  • [+] -7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    as animals can.

    As we can. We understand how animals think, because evolutionarily they're closer to us. We don't really understand how plants "think" or "feel", we just decide that because they don't have what we have that makes it okay.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Just making up whatever you want aren’t you?

    “I’m not a plant therefore idk what their nonthinking minds are thinking”

    Who is we in your statement? Pretty sure modern botany understands how plants work and interact.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    That understanding has its limits. We're just cracking on the ways plants (and fungi) may communicate with one another via external chemical signalling. There are things beyond our current understanding, and how a plant "feels" is completely alien to us. Hell, the function of how people "feel" is still not fully understood.

    My point is that it's ultimately arbitrary. We feel pain, and we can imagine animals feeling pain in a similar way, because their neurological systems are similar. We assume plants don't feel pain - and we can confidently say they don't feel pain the same way we do, but we can't say they don't feel pain at all in a way we don't yet understand.

    Either way though, both plants and animals are living beings, and you are denying them the same opportunity to life by eating them.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (14 children)

    Are you stupid? Genuine question, because animals need to eat as well for you to pay someone to murder them. Even going from the assumption that plants suffer too, a plant based diet still causes much fewer plants to die compared to feeding the plants inefficiently to animals to then eat the animals.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

    eating meat today doesn't cause it to have been fed in the past. events in the future cannot cause events in the past. eating meat doesn't cause past suffering.

    are you stupid

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (10 children)

    Award for not even tangentially hitting the point I made goes to you my dear zoophile <3

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (6 children)

    I addressed the assertion that eating meat causes suffering. that's simply untrue.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (5 children)

    So you have no problems with slave labour because the suffering already happened when you buy its products? What about a video of a rape? The rape already happened so it won't cause further suffering getting off to it.

    How hard is it to understand that these animals get tortured and murdered for your consumption and you don't just happen to come upon a corpse accidentally. Your consumption drives the production.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (2 children)

    calling me a zoophile is baseless.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago

    Are you stupid? Genuine question

    Liar. You're just being a dick here. No bother though.

    Like I said before, what matters is what we do before we eat them. Industrial farming practices are where I see the real problems at - and the key thing is that this is an issue for both meant and plant farming.

    Plant based diets can definitely be more efficient, although palm oil is also vegan (and palm oil farming is currently the cause of a massive amount of habitat loss), so just because you have a plant based diet doesn't mean it's perfect. But what I'm saying here is that eating plants is not inherently more righteous than eating animals. In practice, it almost certainly is (mainly because of farming practices), but not inherently.

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