I mean - the cynicism and greed just oozes out of all the recent U.S. efforts pretending to be peace initiatives. They care about restoring the money bridge, not about ending the war.

But - we live in an imperfect world of realpolitik. Their greed can be used in pusuit of peace, you suppose. The war ending would be an objectively good thing, despite the secondary motives of the soulless greaseball vampires pushing for it.

Take a step back. What does this American push to restore economic and energy ties tell us? Other than that they are black hearted gangsters consumed by greed first and compassion, not at all? Well, it shows Russia's dependence on oil and gas, and it's urgent need to restore cash inflows. That is a lingering weakness that can be attacked. Ukraine would like external security guarantees, but in the absence of that....they now how to make the petromafia gangsters squeal if they get all invade-y again.

It's gross, but remember what this all means: Ukraine is going to survive this war, as a sovreign, EU aligned country with no delusions about the threat Russia poses on an ongoing basis. And it will rebuild. Things won't be the same as they were before, but Ukraine's future is the same as Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia. Different, but prosperous and independent. Out of the Russian sphere. This is a permament divorce, and Ukraine will be vigilant about future corrosive fuckery. It seems unlikely they'll allow a Viktor Orban to emerge there like he did in Hungary.

If you were a Ukrainian supporter honest with yourself in terms of what would happen 5 years on after an invasion, you'd be happy where we are today. Especially if we told you that for half of that war, a KGB agent was the president of the United States.

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You sound like an artillery man.

Maybe, but that is kind of like saying a blacksmith is an anvil man, it implies the blacksmith can do their work without an anvil and simply prefers to use it for aesthetics.

Which I guess is what an artillery person would say....

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