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[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (32 children) Deflection and a claptrap. I expected nothing less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (9 children) Ignoring the obvious point that they were making. I expected nothing less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (8 children) Lol, they ignored every point I made, but I should have to address every bullshit point they make. That's how the game works? They asked for an example of a war ending under a Democrat, I provided one, and then... crickets. Y'all are fucking clowns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 days ago (7 children) You also pretended that Biden didn't cause massive devastation, and help Trump build out his fascist system. But yeah, we're the clowns 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (6 children) What "massive devastation" did Biden cause? Be specific, please. You're falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn't mean they're equally shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (21 children) Because your argument of keeping the broken car chugging along rather than letting it breakdown completely and get a completely new one is absolutely silly for everyone except current day Americans. Everyone else benefits from the car breaking down completely and weathering the storm on foot for a bit to get a new car that could potentially work much better for everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago (20 children) Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. "Weathering the storm on foot" in your analogy means millions of people dying. You understand that, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (19 children) How? I only meant incompetent governance and economic issues (debt and inflation, etc). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children) Here's a little sneak peak for ya: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children) Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (9 children) Ignoring the obvious point that they were making. I expected nothing less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (8 children) Lol, they ignored every point I made, but I should have to address every bullshit point they make. That's how the game works? They asked for an example of a war ending under a Democrat, I provided one, and then... crickets. Y'all are fucking clowns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 days ago (7 children) You also pretended that Biden didn't cause massive devastation, and help Trump build out his fascist system. But yeah, we're the clowns 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (6 children) What "massive devastation" did Biden cause? Be specific, please. You're falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn't mean they're equally shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (8 children) Lol, they ignored every point I made, but I should have to address every bullshit point they make. That's how the game works? They asked for an example of a war ending under a Democrat, I provided one, and then... crickets. Y'all are fucking clowns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 days ago (7 children) You also pretended that Biden didn't cause massive devastation, and help Trump build out his fascist system. But yeah, we're the clowns 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (6 children) What "massive devastation" did Biden cause? Be specific, please. You're falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn't mean they're equally shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 6 days ago (7 children) You also pretended that Biden didn't cause massive devastation, and help Trump build out his fascist system. But yeah, we're the clowns 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (6 children) What "massive devastation" did Biden cause? Be specific, please. You're falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn't mean they're equally shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (6 children) What "massive devastation" did Biden cause? Be specific, please. You're falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn't mean they're equally shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago (5 children) What “massive devastation” did Biden cause? Be specific, please. Backed a genocide, mass deportations, sent people to torture camps, fought against healthcare for all, bombed innocent people, increased military spending, broke a bunch of laws to help build the border wall, increased funding to ICE, helped build Cop City, helped do massive drilling for oil, shot down union strikes, took money from the working-class to bail out his rich friends. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more. You’re falling for the all-or-nothing logical fallacy. You can bucket both Biden and Trump as being shitty, but that doesn’t mean they’re equally shitty. Can you point out where I said that they were equally shitty? because I'm pretty confident that I never did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago (4 children) I mean, we can dive into the specifics on each one of the points you made, because several of them are obviously misleading, but I don't think that's a good use of our time because... If you don't think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You've just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago* (3 children) ...because several of them are obviously misleading... More defliction because you can't argue a point. Which ones are misleading? If you don’t think Trump and Biden are equally shitty, then what is the argument? That you are wrong when you pretend that there's a substantial difference between Trump and Biden, and that Biden didn't cause massive devistation. They are only minorly different, and both caused massive devistation. The debate is about whether or not voting matters. You’ve just said one candidate is shittier than the other, so I guess you prefer eating shit to taking an hour out of your worthless life to cast a vote? I prefer fighting against fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. You are the one saying that we should support the people who support and commit fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, can you point out where I said that I didn't vote? Because I'm pretty confident that I never said that. I love how Libs have to keep making up arguments to yell at me about, rather than addressing the things I actually said. It's almost like they don't argue seriously.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children) We've lost the narrative, I think, so let's see if we can refocus here at bit. The conversation is about whether voting matters, whether the blue wave matters. You acknowledge that there's a difference between candidates, but that you don't believe that difference is "substantial." Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused "massive destruction" and still be substantially better than Trump. So just saying "Biden caused massive destruction" is not sufficient to prove your point. All of the "destruction" points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? But the things we got under Trump that we didn't have under Biden include: USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less "fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc," and that's exactly what we got. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to "send a message" to the party. Well, that's a convenient POV to hold when you're not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You're not going to die from the USAID cuts. You're not getting arrested by the secret police. You're not at risk of being bombed. "Some of you will die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" kind of attitude, right? I think the reality is that you are exercising the "no true Scotsman" fallacy here. You want to believe that you're the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how "both parties are the same" that "liberals" haven't discovered yet, and you revel in "blowing people's minds" with your "radical" views. There's a word for what you're doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) Logically, two things can be true: Biden could have caused “massive destruction” and still be substantially better than Trump. Sure, it could be true. I just don't think it is. Lets ask the Palestinian kids with missing limbs if the damage that Biden caused was massive. Lets ask the dead Syrians if the damage he caused was massive. Lets ask the immigrants who were deported to torture prisons if the damage he caused was massive. I'm pretty confident that I know what they would say. So just saying “Biden caused massive destruction” is not sufficient to prove your point. Well luckily for me, I didn't just say that. I brought data-points and information to back up my claim. All of the “destruction” points you brought up happened under Trump, as well, right? Yes. So the fact that you think Trump doing those is "massive destruction", but Biden doing them isn't, shows your bias. USAID cuts that will cause hundreds of thousands of deaths globally. Fair enough Secret police with arrest quotas terrorizing ordinary people. The only difference is that they didn't have quotas. But the secret police existed and were active under Biden as well. A war in Iran that is causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people. We had "military activity" with Syria, and a genocide supported by Biden. Both which caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But the Iran war affects you more visibly in an economic sense, so suddenly you care about it. No one expected Biden to be some kind of radical leftist candidate who would enact sweeping leftist changes. But we expected less “fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc,” and that’s exactly what we got. Uh, wut? No we didn't. We got mostly the same fascism, genocide, torture, murder, etc. Also, the fact that you were OK with that as long as the Blue Team was doing it is pretty telling. You might argue that voting for Biden perpetuates this system and that you want to “send a message” to the party. I might argue that, but I didn't. I love how Libs always have to make up arguments that I never said to fight against, rather than address the points that I did make. Well, that’s a convenient POV to hold when you’re not the one who is suffering the consequences when the system is controlled by the worse party. You’re not going to die from the USAID cuts. You’re not getting arrested by the secret police. You’re not at risk of being bombed. “Some of you will die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take” kind of attitude, right? From what I see, your POV is that you are willing to risk the lives of Palestinians, Syrians, immigrants in the US, anti-genocide activists, and other marginalized people because you aren't suffering the consequences when Biden was in control. You aren't going to starve to death. You aren't going to be genocided. You aren't going to have your limbs blown off. You aren't going to be sent to a torture prison. You got to go back to brunch, and stop pretending that you cared about them. I think the reality is that you are exercising the “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. What? How does that fallacy make sense in this context? You want to believe that you’re the smartest person in the room and that you have some kind of secret knowledge about how “both parties are the same” that “liberals” haven’t discovered yet, and you revel in “blowing people’s minds” with your “radical” views. There’s a word for what you’re doing: edgelord. And you fully embody that spirit, bud. No, I want to stop the US from bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction. Something that you don't seem to care about, as long as it doesn't effect you. Your the one trying to do a bunch of "akshully, Biden blew up less kids, so he's actually pretty cool!" rhetroric. You are right about one thing though: Being against bombing, torturing, raping, stealing, and causing massive destruction is a radical view in the US, especially when considering the stances that Libs consistently take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago Who is the liberal that you're railing against, exactly? Are you saying that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a liberal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (21 children) Because your argument of keeping the broken car chugging along rather than letting it breakdown completely and get a completely new one is absolutely silly for everyone except current day Americans. Everyone else benefits from the car breaking down completely and weathering the storm on foot for a bit to get a new car that could potentially work much better for everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago (20 children) Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. "Weathering the storm on foot" in your analogy means millions of people dying. You understand that, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (19 children) How? I only meant incompetent governance and economic issues (debt and inflation, etc). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children) Here's a little sneak peak for ya: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children) Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago (20 children) Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. "Weathering the storm on foot" in your analogy means millions of people dying. You understand that, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (19 children) How? I only meant incompetent governance and economic issues (debt and inflation, etc). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children) Here's a little sneak peak for ya: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children) Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (19 children) How? I only meant incompetent governance and economic issues (debt and inflation, etc). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children) Here's a little sneak peak for ya: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children) Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children) Here's a little sneak peak for ya: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Fair I guess, I didn't consider this. But what do we do now? Does this mean we have to prennially live under American imperialism? And will the Democrats even restart these aid programmes? Especially when the US treasury is under pressure to reduce debt? This is why I find modern day western liberal imperialism so much worse than what we had in the past. It's like human shield in away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Indigobunting@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago I don't know if Democrats will restart those programs. I think the realpolitik of what these midterms actually mean is that Trump is no longer a "kingmaker" in his party, and without that leverage he won't have control over every Republican in congress. And because of that, he's going to have to behave or risk getting removed or possibly worse. I don't know what the exact path forward is, but it's not like nuclear weapons will disappear if the U.S. dissolves. There's still inherent problems of the human condition that we have to continue to struggle with as a species, IMO. Even if we wipe out all of the existing imperialist states, more could -- and IMO, would -- arise unless we figure out how to solve some of those underlying problems. In the meantime, I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that things have gotten better over time. This last vote was refutation of imperialism. They said themselves, it was a reflection of dissatisfaction with the imperialist war in Iran. If we don't believe in democracy, then what do we believe in, exactly? Do we just cross our fingers and hope we get benevolent dictators? Granted it took far too long, but the imperialist country did eventually give up slavery. Racism has objectively decreased over time. A smaller portion of the world dies from starvation and preventable disease. The world is getting better over time. The past 10 years have been a shitshow, but the median person is certainly better off today than they were 100 years ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (15 children) Are you being deliberately obtuse? How exactly do you see the collapse of the united states occurring without tens of millions of deaths? Please be as detailed as possible with as much real world history supporting evidence for why you think that as possible. I'm genuinely asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (14 children) So how many millions died during the collapse of USSR or the British Empire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (12 children) Several million immediately following, and tens of millions in the decades leading up to it. So you were being deliberately obtuse then? Are you engaging in good faith here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children) What do you mean be as detailed as possible? I don't have a crystal ball bro. From what i can tell from a cursory LLM chat, it seems like millions of deaths are attributed to decreased life expectancy of citizens of former USSR. Well suck it up I guess. Armed conflict and such direct death toll seems to be at 150k. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children) I asked you to detail your position and you ignored and deflected a third time. You're clearly not engaging in good faith and I've given enough time to trolls. from a cursory LLM chat, Fucking hell. Definitely bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (9 children) Well my ideal detailed position would include dismantling of NATO, expulsion of American troops from all places that are not American territory. Dismantling of the petro dollar and USD led international payments system. Ideally I'd also want all corporations with revenue over €10M to be coops or nationalised in case of infrastructure (this includes cloud) companies, and incentivisation of unions. And require all international companies to pay their full taxes in every country they operate. Also capping CEO pay, wealth and inheritance taxes etc. This is not US specific but I believe large part of American imperialism is through their corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) And how does republicans winning make any of this happen? That's what started this conversation, your assertion that republicans are better because whatever it is you want to happen is somehow more likely to happen with republicans. How, exactly? And again, given the fascist republican platform, how does this happen without mass casualties? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (6 children) A lot of the things in the first part were already happening under Trump. Nato has been weakening, US losing credibility as a trade partner, Europe refusing to fight with US in Iran, trade in currencies other than USD increasing. Now you tell me exactly how you think there will be mass casualties from US losing it's position as a hegemon. What mechanisms will cause these millions of deaths? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago You are a dumb troll. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (4 children) No, actually finish your answer before deflecting again. This is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (3 children) That was it. Now you go ahead and tell me what will cause the millions of deaths. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children) And we're back to you being deliberately obtuse. Hopefully you're a troll and aren't actually this dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saarth@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) Who is deflecting now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago I'm refusing to continue engaging with someone whose baffling intellect seems to think societal collapse occurs without death. You're a shitty troll and a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Ok, great. How does any of that happen without global destabilization and mass death? Is there any evidence to support that such a thing could occur? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago Please do explain in detail with historical examples how this collapse happens without mass collateral casualties. And what exactly does the immediate aftermath look like? Again, please be as detailed as possible using as many historical examples as possible. Please don't just ignore me and ask another question as some sort of gotcha. I'm genuinely trying to engage, I want you to fully lay down how you see things playing out, and how to instigate this collapse as well. permalink fedilink source parent