Shouldn't it be obvious I mean two different types of people?

Also being overworked makes you lazy at home, it's called burnout, or if it's drugs, it's called being a functional addict. Overworked and burned out people also tend to miss details, get sloppier, and all these things compound.

But mostly what I meant by lazy parenting is the people that yell at or for their kids rather than going to them and speaking to them in a normal tone, or the parents that don't want to do the hard work of disciplining their kids, so they let them become little entitled nightmares, and the parents that abuse their kids because slowing down and dealing with them in a more acceptable manner takes too much effort. Another horrible example is the lazy parents who use their kids as piggy banks or ruin their credit for the parents gain, or expect their children to support them while the parents are still able to work.

I'm a grandpa and I've seen all this shit in my almost 50 years of life, some from my own parents, friends parents, parents of my kid's friends, grandkids friends parents, parents of the kids my family has fostered over the years, etc.

So yes overworked and lazy are the two problems, as well as impoverished and uneducated.

Makes sense to me. How does it not to you? Or are you arguing just to argue?

Be Fn Fr, there is no way the state takes parental rights away from everyone completely, that just doesn't seem right.

I agress on some of your points but you're laying out some pretty extreme hot takes.

The parents should be involved, the parents should be forced into parenting, education and child psychology classes, the parents should be accountable for their little shit heads if they do things that warrant accountability. Sex Ed should be mandatory, condoms readily available in Junior High on up, school lunches should be free. Daycare/aftercare should also be free and include free snack/dinner.

Schools need to do better with mandatory reporting as well, right now they either report everything and it seems like an extension of bullying, or nothing and it also feels like an extension of bullying, same with police and the courts. Mandatory reporting is how we keep an eye on kids for abuse, but at times from a parents perspective, it just feels like another way you're being fucked with by society.

There a lot of different stuff at play that we can do better or differently, but it goes back to the saying "it takes a village to raise a child" basically we're all a team in raising this lil crotch goblin, and the parents are the primary members of that team they have to be involved and with the understanding of what is expected of them, then the rest of society that is involved is the rest of the team, and hopefully that yields a promising young adult.