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[–] [S] 6 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Voter weariness is also thing. Inundate the voters with negativity and tons of advertising to get people to not vote. It's a solid tactic.

We're lucky in WA state to have voter pamphlets and mail in voting, but not everywhere is so lucky. I have to say that this year has been getting worse with the pamphlets at the state level. There is some fuckery even here.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago* (14 children)

    So when rich people fund "both sides are the same" propaganda, its to convince me of the same thing, that both sides are the same. But when they fund "get out the vote" propaganda, its to convince me of the OPPOSITE, to not vote. How can I tell whether a message is intended as reverse psychology or not? Do I just decide based on what I've already determined I want to take away from it?

    It kind of seems like by this logic, I can arbitrarily pick and choose which messages are legitimate by just presuming that its either reverse or forward psychology.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 6 days ago (13 children)

    Oh yes, so go online to convince others not to vote, tell them it's useless and say both sides are the same. Totally NoT billionaire money trying to get people to not vote.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago* (11 children)

    Billionaires control both parties, they are just different billionaires. We need an entirely new system, a socialist one, and we need revolution to get it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 days ago (10 children)
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    Both parties are committing genocide in Palestine and Cuba. Both parties are perpetuating the capitalist system that throws people out onto the streets who cannot afford rent. Both parties plunder the world of its surplus value to stuff the pockets of billionaires. A simplistic trolley problem meme is not an argument against the very real fact that billionaires control the democrats, just like they control the republicans, nor does it argue against the necessity of socialism and replacing capitalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    The fact these people's arguments end up in trolley memes 50% of the time really shows the level of mental sophistication that they operate with. I've said it before, but it must actually be so comfortable to live in a world where your views are so simple that a literal binary "my thing (good); your thing (bad)" image macro encapsulates your entire line of reasoning.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    But only one is trying to genocide trans people in the US.

    You don't care about them, do you?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    The Democratic party is distancing itself from supporting the trans community. If the Republicans are trying to commit genocide on the trans community, the Democrats are complicit in it and offer absolutely no protection. The path to protecting trans folk is ovethrowing the system oppressing them, and replacing it with a socialist system. Many of my comrades are trans as well, trans folk are not a monolith. I care deeply about trans folk, as well as Cubans, Palestinians, indigenous people, and all victims of capitalism and imperialism.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class.

    Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago

    The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago

    There are trans people that won't vote at all, there are trans people that will vote blue no matter who. You can find all kinds of people. Its weird to say someone doesn't care about trans people when some trans people share these views. Surely they care about themselves?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

    Wait, are you saying I'm on a billionaire propaganda payroll? I mean, just really think about this, my friend. You seem cool and have your heart in the right place. But you're telling a person on Lemmy that the view they're sharing is billionaire money, but the big tech "vote" banners I see on apps and services are telling us to do the right thing, and that those are meant to be reverse psychology to make us not vote, so we need to actually do what those ads tell us, but not the other ads that tell us to vote for certain candidates, which are forward psychology, so we need to do not do what those say.

    But I am the bad faith propaganda spreader? Or at best a good faith propaganda victim? Where is this billionaire "don't vote" propaganda? I've never seen it on ads, billboards, or apps. The only places I see no voting sentiment are free social media, and among my IRL contacts. Is it possible that's the billionaire psyop? Yes, it is. But it just seems weird because we don't know that those things took money, but the "get out the vote" campaign definitely does.

    It just seems like there's a lot of convolution needed to make that stance consistent. I'm not denying that your stance ends up consistent, it just seems to have a lot of hoops to go through to get there.

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