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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 5 days ago (10 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Both parties are committing genocide in Palestine and Cuba. Both parties are perpetuating the capitalist system that throws people out onto the streets who cannot afford rent. Both parties plunder the world of its surplus value to stuff the pockets of billionaires. A simplistic trolley problem meme is not an argument against the very real fact that billionaires control the democrats, just like they control the republicans, nor does it argue against the necessity of socialism and replacing capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) The fact these people's arguments end up in trolley memes 50% of the time really shows the level of mental sophistication that they operate with. I've said it before, but it must actually be so comfortable to live in a world where your views are so simple that a literal binary "my thing (good); your thing (bad)" image macro encapsulates your entire line of reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago Yea, it's the same meme and same dodge every single time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) But only one is trying to genocide trans people in the US. You don't care about them, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (4 children) The Democratic party is distancing itself from supporting the trans community. If the Republicans are trying to commit genocide on the trans community, the Democrats are complicit in it and offer absolutely no protection. The path to protecting trans folk is ovethrowing the system oppressing them, and replacing it with a socialist system. Many of my comrades are trans as well, trans folk are not a monolith. I care deeply about trans folk, as well as Cubans, Palestinians, indigenous people, and all victims of capitalism and imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children) Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago There are trans people that won't vote at all, there are trans people that will vote blue no matter who. You can find all kinds of people. Its weird to say someone doesn't care about trans people when some trans people share these views. Surely they care about themselves? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Both parties are committing genocide in Palestine and Cuba. Both parties are perpetuating the capitalist system that throws people out onto the streets who cannot afford rent. Both parties plunder the world of its surplus value to stuff the pockets of billionaires. A simplistic trolley problem meme is not an argument against the very real fact that billionaires control the democrats, just like they control the republicans, nor does it argue against the necessity of socialism and replacing capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) The fact these people's arguments end up in trolley memes 50% of the time really shows the level of mental sophistication that they operate with. I've said it before, but it must actually be so comfortable to live in a world where your views are so simple that a literal binary "my thing (good); your thing (bad)" image macro encapsulates your entire line of reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago Yea, it's the same meme and same dodge every single time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) But only one is trying to genocide trans people in the US. You don't care about them, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (4 children) The Democratic party is distancing itself from supporting the trans community. If the Republicans are trying to commit genocide on the trans community, the Democrats are complicit in it and offer absolutely no protection. The path to protecting trans folk is ovethrowing the system oppressing them, and replacing it with a socialist system. Many of my comrades are trans as well, trans folk are not a monolith. I care deeply about trans folk, as well as Cubans, Palestinians, indigenous people, and all victims of capitalism and imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children) Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago There are trans people that won't vote at all, there are trans people that will vote blue no matter who. You can find all kinds of people. Its weird to say someone doesn't care about trans people when some trans people share these views. Surely they care about themselves? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) The fact these people's arguments end up in trolley memes 50% of the time really shows the level of mental sophistication that they operate with. I've said it before, but it must actually be so comfortable to live in a world where your views are so simple that a literal binary "my thing (good); your thing (bad)" image macro encapsulates your entire line of reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago Yea, it's the same meme and same dodge every single time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago Yea, it's the same meme and same dodge every single time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) But only one is trying to genocide trans people in the US. You don't care about them, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (4 children) The Democratic party is distancing itself from supporting the trans community. If the Republicans are trying to commit genocide on the trans community, the Democrats are complicit in it and offer absolutely no protection. The path to protecting trans folk is ovethrowing the system oppressing them, and replacing it with a socialist system. Many of my comrades are trans as well, trans folk are not a monolith. I care deeply about trans folk, as well as Cubans, Palestinians, indigenous people, and all victims of capitalism and imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children) Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago There are trans people that won't vote at all, there are trans people that will vote blue no matter who. You can find all kinds of people. Its weird to say someone doesn't care about trans people when some trans people share these views. Surely they care about themselves? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (4 children) The Democratic party is distancing itself from supporting the trans community. If the Republicans are trying to commit genocide on the trans community, the Democrats are complicit in it and offer absolutely no protection. The path to protecting trans folk is ovethrowing the system oppressing them, and replacing it with a socialist system. Many of my comrades are trans as well, trans folk are not a monolith. I care deeply about trans folk, as well as Cubans, Palestinians, indigenous people, and all victims of capitalism and imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children) Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children) Okay but if you are advocating for overthrowing the system, you don't need to dissuade people from voting during an election cycle. You can organize a revolution AND you can participate in the current system in a manner that leads to the best (suboptimal) outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) I don't care if people vote or not, I'm not trying to argue against voting. I'm arguing against the idea that voting will ever be used for the benefit of the working class under capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riverdoc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. You are not arguing against voting, but are arguing that voting doesn't work for the benefit of the working class. Can you clarify what you mean in the first part of that statement? What are you saying you aren't arguing against with respect to voting? Most people would assume you are arguing against voting when you say that voting never works to the benefit of the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago The reason I am saying that I'm not arguing against voting is because I don't think the act of voting inherently hurts. Thus, I don't care. What I do argue against is reformism, the belief that voting can be used for the good of the working class. I am unwilling to argue that voting harms the working class, because I don't believe that's correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago There are trans people that won't vote at all, there are trans people that will vote blue no matter who. You can find all kinds of people. Its weird to say someone doesn't care about trans people when some trans people share these views. Surely they care about themselves? permalink fedilink source parent
