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[–] 0 points 6 days ago (16 children)

Both sides both sides. You people never change. Perfect is the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago* (6 children)

    Lets take a look at "good":

    • supported kidnapping and bombing kids
    • supported a highly unpopular president
    • supported a genocide
    • told americans to stop complaining about being screwed over.
    • abandoned trans people

    I think your definition of "good" might need a little work.

    You are correct that we don't change. We believe in things like equal rights, why would we change that?

    It's always so telling that, when provided with evidence, Libs immediatly turn on the people who privide the evidence, rather than on the party that keeps screwing them over.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    Agreed, theyre all terrible. But 1 is slightly less terrible than the other. So youre saying its better to not vote at all? Thats where I don't agree. What are you actually doing to change anything ?

    Also not a liberal.

    "Abandoned trans people" wow thats so terrible compared to the R's that openly advocate for murdering them (and gay people) and support christian nationalist terrorists. Come on here, one party is clearly doing a hell of a lot worse shit than the other.

    I'm agreeing that both are bad but what is not voting going to do about that? Youre not proving youre better than the system by not participating.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    So youre saying its better to not vote at all?

    Can you point out where I said that? Because I'm pretty confident that I never did.

    What are you actually doing to change anything ?

    Voting against the people who got us into this mess. Supporting mutual aid networks, and charities. Supporting the homeless. Building and pushing FOSS systems.

    Also not a liberal.

    If you aren't a liberal, then why are you defending the worst of liberal policies and people?

    “Abandoned trans people” wow thats so terrible compared to the R’s that openly advocate for murdering them (and gay people) and support christian nationalist terrorists. Come on here, one party is clearly doing a hell of a lot worse shit than the other.

    So it's OK that the Dems use them as pawns, rather than grow a spine and support marginalized people? Dems only use them because they are easily visible. Look at what the Dems to to immigrants, or people in other countries. They are just biding their time before they go mask-off towards trans people.

    I’m agreeing that both are bad but what is not voting going to do about that? Youre not proving youre better than the system by not participating.

    Once again, where did I say that?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    OK good, as long as youre not advocating for not voting.

    And in my state, all the ballot choices suck ass , as usual, but I'm still not voting for any R.

    All my ballots have are 3 R's and 1 D. We dont get much of a choice here.

    Just saying, not supporting a group and openly advocating to murder a group are not the same thing. You seriously think the Rs are better for trans people than Ds ?

    Thats good, keep doing those things!! I help where I can.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Just saying, not supporting a group and openly advocating to murder a group are not the same thing. You seriously think the Rs are better for trans people than Ds ?

    Can you point out where I said that? because I'm pretty sure I never did.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    OK then I don't get why youre bringing it up. We agree theyre both bad choices but one is quiteeeee a bit worse. So we should all vote, while also being involved in activism against a 2 party system the rest of the time.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (8 children)

    I don't want perfect, I want good. Genocidal imperialism isn't "good."

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (7 children)

    Thats understandable. It still means doing nothing is a stupid choice is all I'm saying.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I'm not arguing for doing nothing, though. My position is that we need an entirely new system, a socialist system, and that to get there we need an organized, mass socialist party, mass class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system that leaves the capitalist class weak. The first two are directly controllable by those of us that work to build up the socialist party and educate our fellow workers, and the last is made inevitable by capitalism itself. I'm arguing that we need to educate, agitate, and organize.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (5 children)

    Nope I fully agree with you. I'm just against people who refuse to vote saying it will make no difference and then pushing us further towards fascism. Voting really takes no effort. Doing the things you are talking about does, and is super hard for the average person (especially since in america if youre part of one of those groups or go on a march and your company finds out you can be fired very quickly ). I wouldnt have the slightest idea were to start . Facebook groups are all we have here.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    I understand your fears of fascism, but fascism cannot be stopped at the ballot box. Fascism is the result of the capitalist class removing any and all civic protections. It's an extra-legal action, one that does not happen at the ballot box but instead through the capitalist class itself nakedly taking away civil liberties. Voting for Democrats or Republicans does not speed up nor slow down fascism.

    As for where to start, both Freedom Road Socialist Organization and the Party for Socialism and Liberation have two tiers of membership, general membership which is low commitment in time and money, and cadre membership, which requires significant time and money. See which is more active near you (almost certainly PSL, but varies), and consider joining the general membership!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Thank you, I will look into this.

    Its hard when pretty much the only people you know who aren't maga are online...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    If you have local branches, you can meet cool people! If not, you can get in touch with like-minded people abroad, and maybe set up a branch eventually!

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    That would be cool. Its a little scary doing that type of thing but I'm already on a list somewhere already I'm sure so why not.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

    Unfortunately, that's a risk you take. There is often safety in numbers, though, and the feds rarely go after the rank and file, let alone the periphery members. It's nearly always decapitation strikes on upper leadership, be it through arrests or actual assassinations.

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