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[–] [S] 11 points 1 week ago (22 children)

To any of the cis liberals reading this who want to comment something about voting for dems, please take a moment to think about whether or not it's your place to lecture trans people on how they should be willing to turn a blind eye to and vote for their own oppression, and that it is extremely unlikely trans people don't realize how bad republicans are. In the current midterm elections there are 72 democrats who have either voted for anti-trans measures alongside republicans, or have run anti-trans ads. That's over 15% of the democrats running for office this election. The democratic party falling into transphobia isn't a fringe concern, it's currently happening, and we have a great example of what that leads to with Labour.

Just a few weeks ago in the UK, a trans women was killed by the NHS, who refused to treat her curable but aggressive cancer in the women's or men's wards, instead waiting over 2 weeks until a private room opened up, at which point the cancer had spread too far. Not even a full week after that, the NHS guidelines were officially updated to force trans patients into the wrong wards, something which provably leads to higher rates of assault on trans people. Meanwhile in the US, solidly blue states like Colorado have started ending medicaid coverage for trans minors on puberty blockers and HRT, literally forcibly detransitioning them.

If a trans person chooses not to vote for a democrat, it is not out of a belief that a republican will better serve their interests, it is a desperate attempt to send any sort of signal possible that might stop the democrats from continuing to adopt transphobia into the core of the party. A world in which both republicans and democrats seek to discriminate vs trans people, remove our healthcare, and force us out of public life is the inevitable outcome of this adoption of transphobia, just as it is in the UK.

If the options presented to a trans person are a candidate who will vote to strip their healthcare, and a candidate who will strip their healthcare but might use less slurs about it (not none, "biological male" is also a slur), in what possible world can you blame them for not voting rather than the candidate who chose to lose those votes in order to be a transphobe in the first place. And if all your efforts are spent lecturing trans people on social media instead of pressuring the candidate to be less transphobic, your priorities are backwards (and it also starts to look like you just want an excuse to yell at trans people tbh).

At the end of the day, if you're demanding a trans person vote for a democrat who wants to remove their rights, you have to ask yourself what rights would you be willing to give up in order to get democrats to win. Because if the answer is less than what you're demanding a trans person gives up, your demand is hypocritical.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (19 children)

    How did that signal go for all the Arab immigrants that voted for Trump over Harris? How did the signal go for those that felt they needed to send Dems a signal on the economy when they voted for Republicans and Trump or didn't vote at all?

    I hope our democracy survives long enough for the signal to matter and that your signal doesn't end up killing my trans daughter.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    The strategy is voting against a short list of very specific individuals, not an abandonment of the party as a whole. If one of them is on your ballot do whatever you can to make sure they lose by any means nescecary.

    The damage federal republicans were able to do legislatively in the past two years was significantly blunted by opposition from the democratic party. These worst offender transphobes are threatening to undermine those efforts, and cut the brake lines as it were.

    Read Erin Reed's article. If none of those candidates are on your ballot, don't worry about it. If one of them is, keep them out of office by any means nescecary. Think about your daughter when you do it. The harm will come when republicans are able to pursue their anti trans agenda without resistance.

    These specific individuals are threatening the only thing that protected us these past two years. The only thing more dangerous than an enemy is a traitor. Please consider that when filling out your ballot if it applies.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago* (10 children)

    You are significantly misreading both the situation and the risks.

    The administration has not needed legislation to cause harm, but legislaters can check the administration. There's no checks without a majority. The potential majority is razor thin and a single loss could mean we miss it.

    Not to mention the risk of the power transition not happening two years from now if the GOP is in power in the House and Senate.

    We're literally in this mess because people thought your exacta tactics were a good idea.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    The issue is for trans issues specifically, a transphobic dem winning means they'll very likely not vote to keep the administration in check with regards to trans issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    And if the GOP candidate wins you're in the same boat but you're negotiating with a Republican instead of a Democrat on these issues. And in 2 years that person might help end our democracy so they can stay in power.

    Again, this is literally the same logic that got us Trump's second term.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    From the article I posted:

    Assumption #9: Vote blue no matter who

    This is a popular slogan intended to encourage leftist, liberal, and centrist voters to all band together in order to oppose and defeat MAGA and all of its authoritarian and fascistic tendencies. I’ve expressed my desire for trans people to be a part of such a coalition many times, including in the Afterword to the 3rd edition of Whipping Girl (p.387). And speaking for myself, I have on many occasions voted for Democrats (including in every Presidential election this millennium) who were way more moderate or centrist than I preferred, because I thought they were a better option than their Republican opponents.

    But of course, none of those Democrats campaigned on rolling back my rights.

    Whenever I publicly criticize Democrats who flirt with or outright promote anti-trans positions, random social media accounts will appear seemingly out of thin air to insist that I must “vote blue no matter who.” When they say this, it is most certainly not in the spirit of building a mutually beneficial coalition — as I’ve argued, that would involve them contacting the Democratic politician in question and petitioning them to not abandon trans people, since that would shrink the coalition.

    Rather, when these strangers bark “vote blue no matter who” at me, they are essentially accusing me of being “divisive” for not “voting blue” (even though I haven’t actually said who I’m voting for; see final section below).

    In my book Excluded — which examines the recurring problem of how marginalized groups are often excluded from movements that they have a stake in — I discuss (on p.57) how the word “divisive” is a red flag for me. To paraphrase that passage: When trans people critique trans-exclusion within our own communities and coalitions, we are often called “divisive” for doing so. In contrast, I have never once heard anyone use the word “divisive” to describe cis people who promote or tacitly support trans-exclusion (in this case, Talarico, Turek, et al.). The fact that acts that marginalize trans people are not typically described as being “divisive” implies that there is a presumed and unspoken “one-ness” that exists in people’s minds that implicitly precludes trans people.

    I’d argue that the central issue here isn’t what candidate X says about trans athletes or trans healthcare (although that is certainly important), or what trans person Y says in response. Rather, it’s that many cisgender Democrats will by default view Y as divisive and X as not. And by doing so, they are essentially communicating (whether they realize it or not) that trans people are not really a part of the Democratic coalition in their eyes: We are either votes to be taken for granted or else “dead weight” that the party should drop.

    Everyone is fixating on what trans people are saying about Talarico, Turek, et al., or how we might vote come November, but they have it all completely backwards. Trans people are not the problem here — we are merely reacting to what (overwhelmingly cisgender) Republicans and Democrats are doing to us. This is a cisgender problem. Cisgender Democrats have to decide whether y’all want us (and our heretofore reliable votes) to be a part of the anti-MAGA coalition moving forward or not. I sincerely hope (for your sake and mine) that you ultimately recognize the value that trans people bring to the coalition, and that you stop blaming us for the actions of anti-trans bigots and trans-exclusionary candidates.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Also this one a bit:

    Assumption #6: Trans people should wait until after these Democratic candidates are elected before putting pressure on them to change their positions

    Are you fucking kidding me? That is not how politics works at all.

    Imagine for a moment that Talarico or Turek or some other Democrat conceded a different (non-trans-related) issue to their Republican opponent. For instance, what if they said that, if elected to the Senate, they would vote for a nation-wide ban on mifepristone. Would you expect women and other pro-choice voters to “keep quiet” until after the election before speaking out against that position? Of course you wouldn’t!

    If that doesn’t persuade you, just think for a moment about a political issue that is most important to you personally. Do you have it in mind? Now imagine how you would react if a Democratic Senate candidate conceded that issue to Republicans. Wouldn’t you immediately and loudly protest their position change? To let the candidate know that they made the wrong decision, in the hope that they might eventually reverse course?

    Or how about this: Imagine that Republicans were specifically set on revoking your rights: Your access to healthcare, public restrooms, driver’s licenses and passports, and so forth. If their Democratic Senate opponent sided with them, would you simply keep quiet and patiently wait for some imaginary future timepoint when (according to people on the internet who don’t actually give a shit about you) you can “properly” express your concerns?

    If people told you to keep quiet when your rights were on the chopping block, wouldn’t that sound condescending if not downright cruel to you?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago

    We’re literally in this mess because people thought your exacta tactics were a good idea.

    Also, that's not why we're in this situation. Trump is not the problem, he is a symptom of a much deeper and more fundamental problem in American politics. And even ignoring that, Trump didn't win because of left-wing voters not voting for Harris, he won because people voted for him, combined with the fact Harris ran a bad campaign and failed to drive potential voters to actually vote for her.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    The last thing I'm going to say is that the author telling people not to vote for these dems in the general elections had absolutely nothing to say about these candidates during the primary season. I do not see a single article about the primary elections at all. That makes this stance even more troubling.

    Good luck, I hope it works the way you hope it will. We're all going to need a bit of luck over the next two years.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago

    A lot of the anti-trans ads have happened in the last month or less, as a complete 180 from the previous positions they claimed to hold. Annie Andrews and Turek are the biggest examples. In general it's hard to campaign against someone in a primary for transphobia they have yet to espouse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm done trying to explain things to you. You do not listen, you do not think. I'm sorry for your daughter I wish she had more thoughtful and caring parents.

    This stategy is new and in response to recent democratic transphobia. There is no purpose talking to someone who cannot even comprehend the concept of causality.

    If you can demonstrate an understanding of the things I and other trans people have said on the topic then we can discuss, but otherwise just go away.

    We have been trans for a long time. We understand the situation. The articles linked on this community are written by respected expert journalist and commentators. Try listening.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you're right. In the problem when it's you who have to attack me personally for disagreeing with you.

    The expert author of this article had nothing to say about these candidates or how to vote during the primaries when sending a message the dems was both the most effective and least detrimental to people like my daughter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Is there a community that includes allies? My daughter is trans and I certainly understand having a trans only space but I'd like a community where I can be looped in to their perspective.

    Follow your own advice. Allies listen. Seek understanding. Stop arrogantly presuming that you already know everything. We support allies here but you are not acting like one.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    our democracy

    You're saying this, as if you live in Taiwan. The US has never had a democracy. Even more so a republic since the electoral college got inaugurated. The fact you're ⅔ of the politically illiterate class of the US, shows you will lick DHS boot no matter who gets 🌈elected.✨ Say goodbye to your daughter, esp. if you haven't trained her how escape Nazism. You're going to need more teeth to survive.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I agree with you, the primaries are where you send the message, not the general election. I am trans and a dem socialist, it sucks that this is the position we are put in. But when it comes down to voting for a centrist dem or a republican, the choice is as plain to me as choosing between a punch in the stomach or being lined up in front of the wall and shot.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Yeah, like Hildegard said, the point I'm making is to not vote for the explicitly transphobic dems. I'm in PA, so I'll be voting for all democrats, but if I lived in Iowa, Ohio, Alaska, or one of the other states with the really bad transphobe democratic candidates, those would be the ones that I'd choose not to vote for. The best outcome if they win, in terms of protecting trans people (kids included), is them siding with the republicans on anti-trans bills, so whether or not those handful win doesn't really impact which bills impacting trans people end up passing.

    In terms of the other signals you mentioned, the Democratic party as a whole is a lot more anti-israel/pro-palestinian today than it was in 2024, and they're also focusing a lot more on how they talk about the economy. They're still not perfect, but the general stances have shifted to be better.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    I’ll be voting for all democrats

    even fucking shapiro?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Unfortunately yeah. I despise him and didn't vote for him in the primary but he was unopposed, and is at least better than Garrity. :/ He is 100% a Zionist piece of shit though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    there's a libertarian on the ballot. and he MADE GARRITY. he backed her over a democrat who wouldn't kiss his ring. he made mastriano, too. he's actually evil.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah no I'm aware of how much he sucks lol, trust me I fucking hate him. I do think currently PA is pretty decent in terms of trans rights though and if garrity wins that probably won't stay the case. I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for him though by any means.

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