▲ 374 ▼ PHP Foundation 'under-funded' with one full-time staff member, director says (www.reuters.com) submitted 1 week ago by lavenie@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 79 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] dudeface@lemmy.world -15 points 1 week ago (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Maestro@fedia.io 52 points 1 week ago Because it was targeted at facebook's unique use case, poorly supported, abd didn't keep up with upstream changes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (5 children) because it didn't support the same features and ended up being a fork of the language called hack. since it wasnt a replacement and would have required lot of software to be modified or in some cases like wordpress and drupal largely rewritten it never saw wide adoption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] dudeface@lemmy.world -26 points 1 week ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago Very little permalink fedilink source parent [–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago Zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago the foundation didn't exist so that one staff member didn't exist. the foundation doesn't direct development either, they sponsor development and otherwise help to fund the project. there is not fault either. hhvm was never a php project. they happened in parallel and there was a lot of good feelings at the time and efforts to collaborate. facebook ended up releasing hack lang and the projects drifted apart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago What, so if Meta can throw enough money at it, they can just hijack the project? permalink fedilink source parent [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 week ago I see your point, but we shouldn't allow corporate interests with comedic amount of economic capital to simply take over an entire project through what basically is ye olde EEE tactics. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] DrCake@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (2 children) Because it’s Facebook permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xangadix@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 child) The world seemed eager enough to use React, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago Because Facebook at the time wasn't openly evil and social medias in general were of a fraction of what they are today,. They contributed to react and made it one of the major language for frontend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Not sure why the php foundation didn’t look at frankenphp and said yes this will be the software for php9 NIH i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) i think this comment misunderstands what frankenphp and the foundation are. its supports php because it is php. its built on top by loading it as a library. it doesnt implement the language so is not and does not want to be a replacement. the foundation doesn't choose where the language goes. They support development in various ways but language design goes through an rfc process influenced by lots of people. frankenphp does come up in devel mailing list discussions. i think its largely thought it being an external project is a stregth but also closely part of the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent [–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Because it wasn't php proper, it was an interpreter for PHP and Hack (their own language), and since 2019 they cut off PHP anyway Also it's mostly because the vast majority of those "70% of websites" that use PHP are wordpress installs, and wordpress never switched to the HHVM. permalink fedilink source parent [+] woelkchen@lemmy.world -9 points 1 week ago I am not sure why the world didn’t switch to that Not invented here syndrome by PHP Foundation and downstream users use whatever the default is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maestro@fedia.io 52 points 1 week ago Because it was targeted at facebook's unique use case, poorly supported, abd didn't keep up with upstream changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (5 children) because it didn't support the same features and ended up being a fork of the language called hack. since it wasnt a replacement and would have required lot of software to be modified or in some cases like wordpress and drupal largely rewritten it never saw wide adoption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] dudeface@lemmy.world -26 points 1 week ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago Very little permalink fedilink source parent [–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago Zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago the foundation didn't exist so that one staff member didn't exist. the foundation doesn't direct development either, they sponsor development and otherwise help to fund the project. there is not fault either. hhvm was never a php project. they happened in parallel and there was a lot of good feelings at the time and efforts to collaborate. facebook ended up releasing hack lang and the projects drifted apart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago What, so if Meta can throw enough money at it, they can just hijack the project? permalink fedilink source parent [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 week ago I see your point, but we shouldn't allow corporate interests with comedic amount of economic capital to simply take over an entire project through what basically is ye olde EEE tactics. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] dudeface@lemmy.world -26 points 1 week ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago Very little permalink fedilink source parent [–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago Zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago the foundation didn't exist so that one staff member didn't exist. the foundation doesn't direct development either, they sponsor development and otherwise help to fund the project. there is not fault either. hhvm was never a php project. they happened in parallel and there was a lot of good feelings at the time and efforts to collaborate. facebook ended up releasing hack lang and the projects drifted apart. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago What, so if Meta can throw enough money at it, they can just hijack the project? permalink fedilink source parent [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 week ago I see your point, but we shouldn't allow corporate interests with comedic amount of economic capital to simply take over an entire project through what basically is ye olde EEE tactics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago the foundation didn't exist so that one staff member didn't exist. the foundation doesn't direct development either, they sponsor development and otherwise help to fund the project. there is not fault either. hhvm was never a php project. they happened in parallel and there was a lot of good feelings at the time and efforts to collaborate. facebook ended up releasing hack lang and the projects drifted apart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago What, so if Meta can throw enough money at it, they can just hijack the project? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 week ago I see your point, but we shouldn't allow corporate interests with comedic amount of economic capital to simply take over an entire project through what basically is ye olde EEE tactics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (2 children) Because it’s Facebook permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xangadix@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 child) The world seemed eager enough to use React, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago Because Facebook at the time wasn't openly evil and social medias in general were of a fraction of what they are today,. They contributed to react and made it one of the major language for frontend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xangadix@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 child) The world seemed eager enough to use React, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago Because Facebook at the time wasn't openly evil and social medias in general were of a fraction of what they are today,. They contributed to react and made it one of the major language for frontend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago Because Facebook at the time wasn't openly evil and social medias in general were of a fraction of what they are today,. They contributed to react and made it one of the major language for frontend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nl 4 points 1 week ago (3 children) Not sure why the php foundation didn’t look at frankenphp and said yes this will be the software for php9 NIH i guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) i think this comment misunderstands what frankenphp and the foundation are. its supports php because it is php. its built on top by loading it as a library. it doesnt implement the language so is not and does not want to be a replacement. the foundation doesn't choose where the language goes. They support development in various ways but language design goes through an rfc process influenced by lots of people. frankenphp does come up in devel mailing list discussions. i think its largely thought it being an external project is a stregth but also closely part of the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent [–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) i think this comment misunderstands what frankenphp and the foundation are. its supports php because it is php. its built on top by loading it as a library. it doesnt implement the language so is not and does not want to be a replacement. the foundation doesn't choose where the language goes. They support development in various ways but language design goes through an rfc process influenced by lots of people. frankenphp does come up in devel mailing list discussions. i think its largely thought it being an external project is a stregth but also closely part of the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago FrankenPHP is now part of the PHP Foundation's work though... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Because it wasn't php proper, it was an interpreter for PHP and Hack (their own language), and since 2019 they cut off PHP anyway Also it's mostly because the vast majority of those "70% of websites" that use PHP are wordpress installs, and wordpress never switched to the HHVM. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] woelkchen@lemmy.world -9 points 1 week ago I am not sure why the world didn’t switch to that Not invented here syndrome by PHP Foundation and downstream users use whatever the default is. permalink fedilink source parent