You're an anarchist but you're against shoplifting??? Holy shit I met the most pathetic fucking loser on Lemmy and that's saying something

Then open your eyes.

No. No you wouldn’t, that’s a lie, you just now said you disagreed with that concept entirely.

You literally just said the opposite of that. The exact opposite of that. You just now said that stealing is always wrong and should always be stopped.

Get bent apologist.

This report assesses the prevalence and magnitude of one form of wage theft—minimum wage violations (workers being paid at an effective hourly rate below the binding minimum wage)—in the 10 most populous U.S. states. We find that, in these states, 2.4 million workers lose $8 billion annually (an average of $3,300 per year for year-round workers) to minimum wage violations—nearly a quarter of their earned wages. This form of wage theft affects 17 percent of low-wage workers, with workers in all demographic categories being cheated out of pay.

https://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-from-workers-paychecks-each-year/

You can't vote while you're starving. Wage theft is theft

Holy fuck are you doingthestuff’s new account since his got nuked for being Nazi bootlicking scum like you?

Fuck the idea of reading that nonsense straight to death. Way to waste that time for yourself. You’re a boot licker, we get it.

"if you believe in rehabiliation you are delusional" truthsocial vibes

Non Lethal options:

Shoot to Disable

Tase

Pepper spray

Etc

The notion of surplus value isn't real, it's an arbitrarily made-up idea without an essence (see Aristotle.)

All that matters is this: I ask you to mow my lawn and you say sure, if I pay you $20. We both agree. You mow my lawn and I give you $20. That's it.

Every human being values everything differently. If someone else came along and for reasons that are their own decided to give me $1,000 because they loved my lawn so much and I agreed to accept that, the two of us made a transaction. We, as consenting adults, made an agreement. It has nothing to do with you. You do not get to come along and tell me we cannot make that trade, that it isn't worth $1,000, or that I now owe you $500 because you were the one who mowed it.

In fact, the $1,000 itself has no intrinsic value. The value of a given currency fluctuates by the minute. Something on a store shelf could be selling for $1 today and $2 tomorrow, then $0.50 Wed and $5 by next week Friday. Then something else could be worth completely different values too.

Maybe this week $10 gets me a meal and a t-shirt but tomorrow it gets me 2 meals and a t-shirt and the following week I can't buy any meals or t-shirts at all - with that same $10.

EVEN if it were some kind of objective concept, what exactly would the numbers be in a network where everything has value independent of everything else?

Let's say you work for me and make shirts. I pay you $10 a shirt and sell it for $20. You might say that according to Marx, I should give you $20, and let's leave out everything else for the sake of argument. Why is $20 the value?

What if I also own the grocery stores, and I agree to pay you 100% more and raise the grocery prices by 100%? So now instead of you having $10 and a loaf of bread costing $1, I now give you $20 and that loaf of bread now costs you $2? So you now have the exact same buying power and I'm now making the same value from you.

No offense if you are a self-proclaimed Marxist, but I find that the socialist/communist crowd rarely thinks through their positions.

This is moving the goalpost. Do you agree that if I have enough food for 1000 years and I got it morally then you are not justified in taking it from me even if you are starving? Are you only saying you can have it if I took it from others? These are two completely different things here.

No rational and moral individual is going to argue that if someone stole food from everyone then those "everyone" shouldn't be valid in taking it back. Nobody believes that.

The big problem there is there are a lot of arguments over what constitutes "ownership".

And that would be your choice, but then what? Do you let them share a bed with your child? Or do you even have limits? Do you detain them and cage them after? Do you just let them go free? What if it was your child they raped?

you think you are

Except that it is, and you are patently wrong.

Which life has more value? Hitler, or your child's? If given the choice, would you have killed Hitler to stop what he did?

Would you kill a child rapist to stop them from raping a child? What if it was the only way to stop them?

You're stuck. If you say you Hitler has the same value, you wouldn't have killed him, you wouldn't kill the child rapist, etc., then you're either deluded, trolling, stupid, or evil, but if you agree you would then you're admitting that human value is not only subjective, but that you yourself personally and wholly understand that all human life has not only subjective value and relative value, but also kills your statement entirely.

If you have lots because you stole, I'd like the lots returned to the rightful owners

Then just stop shopping there or taking jobs from there.

If you own a business, refuse to do business there.

In a true free market, if you don't like the way people do business, you have freedom of association.

One of the biggest problems in modern reality isn't big business, it's government. Government takes away your freedom of association and is deficient at protecting the public from unjust actors - specifically fraudulent actors.

A free market requires protection from fraud and fraud is fundamentally any withheld/false information that is withheld or falsified in order to get you to consent to something you otherwise wouldn't consent to. If I go to sell you a car and don't tell you it doesn't have an engine yet make it seem like it does and you agree to buy it for $5K I am defrauding you. You cannot give consent if you do not have adequate information.

Now keep in mind that obtaining information is also your responsibility and not only mine as the seller, but I cannot go out of my way to withhold information or lie about information to get you to commit to something you otherwise wouldn't.

The fundamental PROBLEM is that we do not live in a state of freedom, we live in a hodge-podge between freedom and authoritarianism because a huge swath of modern-day populations do not want the responsibility associated with freedom, they just want to lose some money out of every paycheck and have a bunch of things taken care of, then complain all day because things aren't exactly as they want.