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[–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (27 children)

False dichotomy if there ever was one. The small businesses that are burned down or destroyed or emptied don't have anything to do with the oligarchs or pedophiles, they are often neighbours of the looters. What have they done to deserve that? Sorry, looting them doesn't further any good cause, indeed, it is just serving the narrative of the opposing side.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Some things to remember:

    • Protests, riots are almost never monolithic and desperate people and local organized crime almost always takes advantage of the commotion.
    • There are already reports of Police antagonists stirring up commotion in these.
    • There is a very long history of far-right agitators trying to hijack and smear justifiable legitimate protests. Many examples from the 2020 BLM protests.
    • Foreign adversaries -- notably Russia -- almost always seizes on these and has a hand in stirring up division.

    So the fallacy is the assumption that the people committing the looting are the same people who originally set out to protest the following grievances:

    • Severe under-funding of schools.
    • Overcrowded classrooms and lack of air conditioning in excessively-hot climate.
    • Teacher shortages and schedules.

    To again reiterate, much of the time legitimate protests are hijacked by outside groups for their own ulterior motives (political optics, theft, etc.)

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    The fact that we're even having these discussions shows how susceptible people are to this brand of propaganda. There people have the vote, the media and protests, remember that they will try to erode your faith in those institutions at every turn.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    You moralizing about what is essentially an uncontrollable phenomenon, is serving the narrative of the opposing side. Nobody is in control of a riot by definition. All kinds of shit is gonna get fucked up. Focusing on individual incidents is falling into a trap that the ruling class lays for a credulous audience.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    I hate when people pull out this stupid straw man argument, "Think of the poor small businesses". Small businesses in this country are all but non existent at this point, most of them have been forced to close their doors thanks to big chains like Walmart and Target. The closest we have to small businesses in most areas are franchisees from the big chain fast food restaurants.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Sorry, I thought this was relating to the French unrests. There is no Walmart in France. Have a look at the shops that were destroyed and then count how many of them are large chains and how many were local businesses.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Eh, small businesses come in all sizes. There's a dude in town that owns ~100 houses and rents them out. He's a small business owner.

    So is the Uber driver that delivers food to those houses.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    That man is enough of a landlord that a molotov cocktail is probably justified in some way shape or form. That dude is part of the petit borgeousie for sure.

    The guy driving for Uber and getting paid by them as his employer is not a small business owner. He's a poor proletariat schmuck just like most of us.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    On paper both are small business owners. Most truckers are, too. One sixth of truckers are, too.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    They're not. They're not at all. What do you think a small business owner even is?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    Someone that owns their own income generating property. I.e., a business. Which is small. Local definitions put that at either <500 employees or <7.5m operating revenue.

    I was wrong though, only ~16% of truckers are small business owners. They're the ones called "owner operators". Because they own their own truck.

    Technically, anyone filling out form 1099 come tax time is a small business owner.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Well at least you know now why a Doordash or Uber driver is decidedly not a small business owner.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    They fill out form 1099...so they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Dude ... I'm pretty sure there's been a ton of legal precedent set that Uber drivers are employees of Uber, same with DoorDash, and all the rest.

    Just because they're trying to say "oooh 1099 independent contractor" and hand wave away our shared reality does not make it true. I won't reply any further but if you honestly think a dude driving for DoorDash is a small business owner you're just being blatantly obstinate and obfuscating the meaning of owner.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago*

    There's been a lot of court cases, but no nationwide precedent set. Even the states that have additional protections don't blanket classify Uber drivers as employees.

    That's kind of the whole point of the Uber situation. Right now, they are considered small business owners doing freelance contracts. Uber is intentionally using this to cut operating costs and avoid paying their workers.

    Unfortunately, that is the reality, and Gavin newsome saying it's wrong, even in a formal executive order sense, means nothing.

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    As much as I like the roof Koreans, they would get firebombed if they were in France, the reason they worked in America was because Americans are pussys and when legit confronted with violence, they piss their pants and run away.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Won't speak for you, but I'm not getting close enough to toss a Molotov cocktail at a man in an elevated position with a long gun. 😬 (Seriously, reread your comment and think out how that would work IRL.)

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The business have insurances, and actually don't loose at being attacked. Many even benefit of the insurance to renew their shop in a more modern way ; it is at the point police sometimes even doubt the shop owner may have asked to be a target. It can also be a good time to burn accountancy documents when some were a problem, and destroy those stock of merchandises they knew they could not sell (so insurance pay for them).

    Yet for some it is a real moral pain to see their shop looted, of course...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's why all the small business owners are chiming in to cheer when their shops are torn to pieces and burned down!

    Do you even hear yourself XD

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago

    Most of the times they find it boring, yes. Yet do you know one that has really lost something after the death of Nahel? In my town most burnt shops reopened fast, renewed, and more attractive than before.

    And I can't remember any casualties for shop owners, beside those who got caught trying to hide the bankruptie of their company as a riot burning (for insurance). Do you know some that had real (unsolved) problems because of riots?

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