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[–] 240 points 2 weeks ago (57 children)

Induction can have the crown as soon as appliance designers stop giving them infuriating capacitive touch controls that are a fundamentally bad input method for a fucking stove.

Give them knobs. The UI nerd in me is so angry at the slow death of competent design as its cannibalized by marketing and branding people, and the penny pinchers they serve.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Mine has knobs. It’s fucking great. It’s a Bora professional 3.0

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Rented a place with the capacitive touch style and my cat kept turning on the stove… luckily with it being induction it meant it didn’t get hot as long as a pan wasn’t on there but holy shit could that be really dangerous

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  • [–] 49 points 2 weeks ago (26 children)

    The problem is not with the controls fundamentally, it's with the low quality controls. A glass touch surface has merit: it's extremely easy to clean and keep clean, you're never gonna get boiling pasta juice in there and corrode the contacts or whatever. It's just that the manufacturers use the worst, most pathetic sensors that stop working as soon as the surface gets slightly moist. My own induction stovetop is pretty bad in that regard, but my parents' significantly more expensive one is perfectly fine. The control part of the glass surface never gets very hot either.

    Point is, it's pretty good when done right. But they often don't do it right.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago*

    I’ve seen really rough “analogue” and hybrid control designs. Like, an oven with knobs and touch buttons, so you can set temperature more easily with a knob, but some more specific settings are set through touch input. Overall idea sounds good, until you try do something with it - then it quickly becomes a convoluted mess, because rather than separately choosing which directions to heat or whether to turn on the fan, manufacturers decided to make a list of all possible combinations to scroll through. 🌝

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    But I never want to try and find the right place to touch a flat surface when I’m in the middle of basting meat and my pot is boiling over.

    Analog style dials (they’re digital now) are easy to reach without looking, which keeps your focus on the task. Muscle memory is super important for flow.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Do your parents have cats? Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it. Now we have to “lock” the controls every night, and then “hold for 3 seconds” before we can unlock. The more sensitive the controls, the worse this all gets.

    Knobs, dude. If you will it it is no dream.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it

    But aren't induction stovetops only heating when a compatible metal is on top/detected? So if you don't leave pans and pots on it shouldn't the stovetop be powered off, even if the cat turns on the switch? Besides that, there must be better options, even if companies refuse going back to knobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Yes but it’s very possibly easier to just lock the buttons than it is to wash all the pots before bed and make sure no one leaves so much as a spoon on the cooktop before bed. Either way its an extra thing to remember and deal with and since there’s really no major advantages to capacitive, it’s a simple decision for me. Knobs.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    No, touch screens are always shit compared to knobs. You might have even worse touch screens but that's just like even worse!

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    One stray globule, and suddenly your stove is set to 700°

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Another error and that's in Celsius 😁

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    A bunch of new stoves have a pizza setting that’s in that range.

    You have to be careful though, they’re not all actually insulated for that range, so the electronics actually cook and fail.

    If you do buy one the self clean usually works better due to the higher heat range, but all the appliance sales reps said to never use it anyways.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Easy to wipe true, but what if instead of a capacitor button we can have a magnetic control board with magnetic push keys?

    It would be fully removable, attachment magnet snaps it into place and then it's essentially a button with a magnet physically travelling up and down.

    The I really hate the capacitor buttons since if you get pasta that boils over it fucks with the buttons pretty fast and the "off button" is just not good for quickly turning it off when flooded. It's same for pan cooking sauce that splashes a bit, wiping the surface moist rag can have mixed results, paper towels become a requirement. There's just a lot to not like.

    A standard knob, as long as it's not designed by an idiot, can be very simple by having a piece of heat resistant non corrosive material stuck out of the stove top and the button having a 1cm gap under it. Just make the pin chonky and you can drop a pan on it without anything happening. Lift the button off and it becomes still very easy to clean.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Neff has that, they come with a magnetic disc you use to control everything. Only drawback is you can only control one thing at a time.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The other drawback is that I could buy 10 IKEA stovetops for the same price lol

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Not really.. if you buy a same sized filed its maybe 30 percent.

    Ikea just offers a lot of smaller ones too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Fair enough, they actually didn't have the size I wanted (60 cm) so I looked at the price for 80 cm. And the price diff was more like 15x.

    But that was also some official place with a physical store selling it. Dropshipping marketplace here has the 60 cm too, with only a 4.5x price difference compared to IKEA, 5.5x if you don't get their stupid subscription service. And to be fair, that was the cheapest possible IKEA 60 cm induction stovetop, so the real difference between an actually good model would be only ~2-3x.

    But at least 840€ with a stupid subscription to cancel later I can handle. The other place was only selling Neff at something over 3k.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    got your knob right here bb.

    Seriously though, I'm with you. I have an induction, and it's fantastic, but any stupid moisture gets on it, and the controls don't work until you wipe it off, and the things spazzes out at you, beeping incessantly.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    My wife once dropped a metal bottle cap on the capacitive controls for our oven.

    I don't know anything about oven software, but so far as I could tell, it caused the entire thing to basically reboot.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    so my mother's kitchen, it looks like she has two ovens stacked vertically (the range is off to the side). top one is a microwave tho. my mother likes to microwave her eggs for some reason. probably just to disgust me. but like i warned her as prophecy foretold one day she spilled an egg down the front of her microwave and down into the oven controls.

    she was smart enough to cut the power immediately (her side of the family was farmers, my dad's side miners, so we're used to fixing everything ourselves. we just had to clean out the pcb and had no permanent shorting) but i feel your pain.

    she still microwaves her eggs. like fuck how hard is it to grab the big kettle and the spider skimmer

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I get the microwaving eggs thing. It's an inferior culinary experience, but it's easier. I microwave things whenever possible because I have difficulty standing up for any significant period of time; even if the time taken is identical, microwaving something usually means pressing a few buttons before sitting down and waiting, whereas cooking something on the range usually involves tending, meaning I have to stay there.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    I hunted specifically for an induction stove with knobs, and couldn't be happier. It's how all induction stoves should be.

    Btw, it's a secondhand Gorenje stove, and it only costed me $50. An absolute bargain.

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