More than a request, I think it's a deserving clarification. We're getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc... while it's just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

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[–] 13 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don't have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't buy that, why would they have to care what these people think? Credit card companies have a history of being hostile to adult content, I think it's because the people who own them have an interest in controlling others.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn't really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Do you know that or are you speculating?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Corporations do not give a single fuck about "angry, organized people", only money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    They care about bad PR. Angry, organized people can create lots of bad PR.

    Look, this whole subthread is jumping to conclusions based on speculation. Maybe they are using legal strategies, but that's not obvious.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Don't believe that either.

    I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm asking questions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Where did you ask a question in this reply chain?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not me but

    How do they apply pressure though?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Copy the whole thing:

    How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

    Beside the fact that it wasn't even you, they made a specific answer to that question as if it was authoritative. They were not "just asking questions", either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're being needlessly pedantic. If it makes you feel better, I can ask the question again:

    How do they apply pressure?

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    That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.

    Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.

    Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these 'calls' for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.

    Avoid using credit cards as much as possible

    Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.

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    Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their 'beliefs' when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What's a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats

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