▲ 257 ▼ A Tesla ran a stop sign and killed a man, record confirms Full Self-Driving/Autopilot was on (electrek.co) submitted 1 month ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/boycottus@lemmy.ca 56 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 month ago (10 children) As they should, but Tesla should be punished as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 31 points 1 month ago (4 children) Tesla calls it "full self-driving". If anybody should be punished, it should be Tesla. Words have meaning, and while legally you can cover your ass by having in the fine print "not actually full self-driving", morally these shits are utterly repugnant and should have their company shut down, sold off piece by piece, with the proceeds going to their victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) If they called it “Go jump off a bridge” would you do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jacob_Mandarin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago If a bungee cord or parachute was named that i might. And if the description and technical name specified it was only a Prop id be stupid for having done so. But if the Advertising kept saying you should jump of a bridge with it and only the fine print specifies its a prop. i would say that is dangerously misleading and they should be held at least partially responsible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Hey look! A Felon fanboi! If I called it "unalive yourself to spare us your attempts at wit" would you do it? How 'bout if I said "please"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Pretty much the opposite of a fanboy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) They do call it “Full Self Driving (Supervised)”, and say the driver has to be continually alert and ready to intervene, but the name plus Elron promising full autonomous capability for 10 years has been misleading. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (3 children) Over 40 Tesla owners caught sleeping the wheel. It's the gun makers vs gun owners argument. Just fucking ban FSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) Or don't ban it but make the provider fully liable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Make it a (and I cant believe I'm going to say this) subscription model. It costs $X a year for self driving, requires an annual inspection and if using it correctly in accordance with manufacturers instructions the manufacturer has to carry the insurance and liability when its in use. Until the manufacturer is willing to take the liability on I have ZERO faith in self driving tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago I feel like it's one of those cases where both the interest & liability is a public issue. This is a perfect case for a public service, and not one for a "go fast and break things" & enshittification economic model But I fear that both the US (duh) and Europe are way too neoliberal to ever consider this seriously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 31 points 1 month ago (4 children) Tesla calls it "full self-driving". If anybody should be punished, it should be Tesla. Words have meaning, and while legally you can cover your ass by having in the fine print "not actually full self-driving", morally these shits are utterly repugnant and should have their company shut down, sold off piece by piece, with the proceeds going to their victims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) If they called it “Go jump off a bridge” would you do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jacob_Mandarin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago If a bungee cord or parachute was named that i might. And if the description and technical name specified it was only a Prop id be stupid for having done so. But if the Advertising kept saying you should jump of a bridge with it and only the fine print specifies its a prop. i would say that is dangerously misleading and they should be held at least partially responsible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Hey look! A Felon fanboi! If I called it "unalive yourself to spare us your attempts at wit" would you do it? How 'bout if I said "please"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Pretty much the opposite of a fanboy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) If they called it “Go jump off a bridge” would you do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jacob_Mandarin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago If a bungee cord or parachute was named that i might. And if the description and technical name specified it was only a Prop id be stupid for having done so. But if the Advertising kept saying you should jump of a bridge with it and only the fine print specifies its a prop. i would say that is dangerously misleading and they should be held at least partially responsible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Hey look! A Felon fanboi! If I called it "unalive yourself to spare us your attempts at wit" would you do it? How 'bout if I said "please"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Pretty much the opposite of a fanboy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jacob_Mandarin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago If a bungee cord or parachute was named that i might. And if the description and technical name specified it was only a Prop id be stupid for having done so. But if the Advertising kept saying you should jump of a bridge with it and only the fine print specifies its a prop. i would say that is dangerously misleading and they should be held at least partially responsible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Hey look! A Felon fanboi! If I called it "unalive yourself to spare us your attempts at wit" would you do it? How 'bout if I said "please"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Pretty much the opposite of a fanboy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Pretty much the opposite of a fanboy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) They do call it “Full Self Driving (Supervised)”, and say the driver has to be continually alert and ready to intervene, but the name plus Elron promising full autonomous capability for 10 years has been misleading. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (3 children) Over 40 Tesla owners caught sleeping the wheel. It's the gun makers vs gun owners argument. Just fucking ban FSD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) Or don't ban it but make the provider fully liable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Make it a (and I cant believe I'm going to say this) subscription model. It costs $X a year for self driving, requires an annual inspection and if using it correctly in accordance with manufacturers instructions the manufacturer has to carry the insurance and liability when its in use. Until the manufacturer is willing to take the liability on I have ZERO faith in self driving tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago I feel like it's one of those cases where both the interest & liability is a public issue. This is a perfect case for a public service, and not one for a "go fast and break things" & enshittification economic model But I fear that both the US (duh) and Europe are way too neoliberal to ever consider this seriously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) Or don't ban it but make the provider fully liable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Make it a (and I cant believe I'm going to say this) subscription model. It costs $X a year for self driving, requires an annual inspection and if using it correctly in accordance with manufacturers instructions the manufacturer has to carry the insurance and liability when its in use. Until the manufacturer is willing to take the liability on I have ZERO faith in self driving tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago I feel like it's one of those cases where both the interest & liability is a public issue. This is a perfect case for a public service, and not one for a "go fast and break things" & enshittification economic model But I fear that both the US (duh) and Europe are way too neoliberal to ever consider this seriously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Make it a (and I cant believe I'm going to say this) subscription model. It costs $X a year for self driving, requires an annual inspection and if using it correctly in accordance with manufacturers instructions the manufacturer has to carry the insurance and liability when its in use. Until the manufacturer is willing to take the liability on I have ZERO faith in self driving tech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago I feel like it's one of those cases where both the interest & liability is a public issue. This is a perfect case for a public service, and not one for a "go fast and break things" & enshittification economic model But I fear that both the US (duh) and Europe are way too neoliberal to ever consider this seriously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago I feel like it's one of those cases where both the interest & liability is a public issue. This is a perfect case for a public service, and not one for a "go fast and break things" & enshittification economic model But I fear that both the US (duh) and Europe are way too neoliberal to ever consider this seriously permalink fedilink source parent