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[+] -19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (32 children)

So one of your premises for making the fediverse better is to remove the parts you don’t like / don’t agree with?

Can you not just scroll past?

Some would suggest that silencing / censoring your opposition is quite a tankie thing to do…

Edit: Judging by the repliers I’ve chatted to some people really seem to care a lot about this. I gotta admire your passion… whilst still having a different opinion.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    "Silencing / censoring" by asking that people merely block the propaganda instance via their personal block lists?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Yeah, that’s fine - but this just seems a bit like brigading.

    If a person makes their own mind up, one way or another, good for them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    The post is evidence to help them make their mind up. It's not like the OP can block anyone for that person.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah, whilst trying to paint an entire instance broadly with a single brush…

    I pop over to .ml for a few communities most days - never discussed anything political whilst there and had a jolly time.

    My fediverse experience would be lessened via a blanket defederation / instance blocking.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    When their admins routinely push propaganda, ban users and delete content just based on their political disagreements and contrary to their own written rules (as thoroughly documented in this very community), it's much closer to the kind of thing you led with in your comment here. It wouldn't be excessive to want to stay away from the whole instance based on that.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I get all that. But it’s opinion… I prefer to hear what everybody has to say, evaluate the source and then process what is said - and possibly why.

    I get other people are different and just want to mute etc, nay bother.

    I just don’t like people actively calling for a boycott. If you’re a functioning adult, pop over, have a look, maybe keep your mouth shut until you get the feel of the instance - and then make a decision…

    it just seems a bit pitch forks and lanterns against the Bwci under the bridge.

    (Plus it seems a bit weird to try and drive a wedge and foster resentment against where the devs of Lemmy be.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I was gonna reply to some of your numerous messages - but this one takes the piss.

    “Sucking Up”? Seriously - are you 5?

    How I was brought up is if someone does something for you that is of no charge and you benefit from it - you at least say thanks, even if you don’t like the cunt.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    Let's make an instance for Nazis, then, while we're at it. Otherwise we aren't tolerant enough /s

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    By Nazi I’m assuming you mean fascist and then I saw the word “tolerant” and almost couldn’t reply.

    My level of Nazi tolerance varies greatly; I’ll tell you why: words should be countered by words, direct action should be countered by direct action.

    Does driving things underground have a history of eradicating said thing?

    I would prefer to confront / convert a fascist before they make a move then to have to kill one after they made their move.

    You however might be more blase about ending human lives than me, granted.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Words to be countered with words only when a person speaks in a good faith and is ready to listen. Thats almost never the case in the internet, unless you are in some low pop group chat where people value your personal opinion. Thats not a lemmy format, we are too numerous. I'm basically nobody to you, why my opinion even matters?

    .ml is not speaking in a good faith, in fact they ban opposing opinions. Its red fash propaganda platform. Block is the way.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Well, the tankie instances very loudly advocate in defense of a terrorist state that is in fact attempting to end my life and life of every person in my country. Is that direct enough for you or am I not passing your purity test?

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    All valid… but surely you understand that some people just randomly go with the first instance they find?

    I’m all for people personally curating feeds.

    Not sure about purity tests, or really what that means here - I’m just giving an opinion. I’d be horrified if everybody else agreed with me…

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    some people just randomly go with the first instance they find

    Hence this community, to give people more information on tankie instances.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Honestly, if I was on .ml and had already subscribed to the comms I wanted I’m not sure I’d bother to migrate… and slowly things would get quieter and quieter until I quit and told everybody I know, who’s tech literate, that the fediverse is dying.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I don't know, if I was on .ml and saw links to posts where the instance's admins and mods are saying that killing people like me is a good idea, I would "bother to migrate". And then I would tell everybody I know, who cares to listen, that the fediverse isn't limited to a handful of fascist in red coats.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    god it’s a shame that there isn’t a community that could help someone in that situation. maybe somewhere tankie bullshit could be called out and put on blast.

    oh wait!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The only thing I disagree with is the active push to defederate / total block list an instance based on the incorrect assumption that every single member can, at will, transmute into a homogenous extremist totalitarian hydra.

    Do you know the English phrase: could not see the wood for the trees?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    this statement would be real silly without all the hyperbole.

    go on arguing if you want, but the idea that you’re seeking a good faith discussion here is dubious at best.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    ml has a sign up form last I checked. It isn't just a click the first thing you see situation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Yes driving "opinions" underground has a great track record of lessening their impact, especially when they aren't true.

    Look the world is complex, hitler didn't kill a single person himself but his words certainly lead to death.

    A lie travels way faster than the truth, we know for a fact that the more acceptable hate speech becomes the more likely real life violence will become.

    So words lead to concentration camps in the US and now where is the action against the action that you speak of?

    Lefties always make tge stake of believing rightwingers are completely sincere when they speak when in fact they don't really care about the truth and entertaining them often serves only one purpose, getting their message out there.

    I

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