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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 176 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (53 children) Brave's CEO is a homophobic Trump supporter. No thanks. permalink fedilink source hideshow 53 child comments replies: [+] hperrin@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 12 points 1 year ago That's it, brave is getting uninstalled from my PC NOW. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) That's the logic of as long as it benefits ME I don't care and I support them no matter what they do. This same logic has been applied to all the shitty things done in history like slavery, war and so forth, and the reason the world is the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Of course that's not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) "I'll support fascism as long as it's convenient for me" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn't hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it's extremely dangerous and ruins lives. You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn't have the same view. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 44 points 1 year ago (7 children) He invented JavaScript, so definitely don't use that either. For real. JavaScript sucks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bier@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago I used to hate JS but barley had used it. Now I use it on a daily base and hate it even more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nao@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago JS is difficult to avoid. Brave is easy to avoid, just use another browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Does he run/have power over JavaScript right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, not directly. Not any more than your average tech leader who goes to conferences and discusses it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh wait hey you're on my instance. Cool! We're such small one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 5 points 1 year ago (15 children) I need a better option then. What can yall suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 33 points 1 year ago (13 children) Firefox permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (9 children) Sure I use that too but you should have at least one chromium based browser for certain features though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vivaldi? (Sort of continuation of Opera, run by it's former CTO.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) I use LibreWolf (FireFox fork) + Ungoogled Chromium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago I personally haven't had to use a chromium browser for anything yet since my swith to Firefox. Only to test a render bug in chromium that Google hasn't bothered to fix in over 9 years for a case that works correctly in every other browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Why should you? What are these certain features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Mozilla also has many problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kerntucky@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 2 points 1 year ago Thorium. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -18 points 1 year ago (16 children) What does that have to do with the browser? Last I checked, browsers aren't transphobic. You do you, but I personally refuse to make product choices based on the person who makes it. Brave is the least bad chromium browser, so I use it as a backup to my main Gecko-based browser. I'm not a fan of Mozilla either, but that's irrelevant since I pick my software based on what it does, not based on the management of the company that builds it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children) Brave is the least bad chromium browser It's pretty sleazy. Ungoogled Chromium or Vivaldi are probably less sleazy, if at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is not open source, so for me it doesn't count as a valid option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I‘m not even pro Brave but all that ad stuff is opt-in so it doesn‘t matter as long as you don‘t want to see ads. The arguments in this thread are starting to just loop in circles. Essentially using Brave is fine if you stick to the default. There‘s no sleazy stuff if you don‘t enable it and the CEO also doesn‘t make a dime from you if that‘s something you‘re concerned about. You could of course use a different chromium browser if you want but it‘s virtually the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) The only two there that bother me are the affiliate code thing (reminds me of the Honey drama) and installing extra software without consent. The first was a bad call and probably related with how their ad replacement stuff works (if anything, they should merely axe affiliate links; Firefox has that as an option), and this"solution" to the latter is pretty odd to me: reinstall the browser without admin rights Why would a browser need admin rights in the first place? I haven't used Windows in well over a decade, so I don't think that particular one would be an issue for me. The rest can be grouped as: bugs - bug fixes generally don't get prioritized until enough users complain; I would be very picky if I was an at risk person (activist or whatever) and would probably only use Tor browser opt-in services their marketing department My options for chromium browsers are: something with ineffective ad blocking Opera - I used it before it became a chromium browser, then it went downhill; not FOSS Brave, with all its warts Since ad blocking and FOSS are my prerequisites, Brave basically wins by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension? I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard. On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would not choose to use a product made by people I disagree with but leaving that aside: Is it the least bad? Why not degoogled chrome? Or chromium? Even vivaldi seems like a better choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago Ad blocking mostly. That's literally all I need in a chromium browser, because I only use it on a handful of sites that don't work properly in Firefox. Chromium is also okay, but no ad blocker. I have that installed as well in the really unlikely case that the ad blocker gets in the way. 99% of my browsing is on a Firefox browser, and 99% of the rest is on Brave. I use it so infrequently the "time saved" metric is a merely seconds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) I don't like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser: FOSS Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I'd actually be okay with ads if they didn't track me Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don't want a repeat of the IE era Security Performance Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don't really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Brave also ticks all of them? at this point, Firefox's development is not very much more open than Chromium's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[+] hperrin@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 12 points 1 year ago That's it, brave is getting uninstalled from my PC NOW. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 12 points 1 year ago That's it, brave is getting uninstalled from my PC NOW. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) That's the logic of as long as it benefits ME I don't care and I support them no matter what they do. This same logic has been applied to all the shitty things done in history like slavery, war and so forth, and the reason the world is the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Of course that's not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) "I'll support fascism as long as it's convenient for me" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn't hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it's extremely dangerous and ruins lives. You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn't have the same view. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) That's the logic of as long as it benefits ME I don't care and I support them no matter what they do. This same logic has been applied to all the shitty things done in history like slavery, war and so forth, and the reason the world is the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Of course that's not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Of course that's not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Of course that's not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technohippie@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell? My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today's society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of "if it benefits me I don't care". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) "I'll support fascism as long as it's convenient for me" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn't hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it's extremely dangerous and ruins lives. You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn't have the same view. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn't hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it's extremely dangerous and ruins lives. You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn't have the same view. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn't hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it's extremely dangerous and ruins lives. You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn't have the same view. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Yep, everything is politics whether we like it or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 44 points 1 year ago (7 children) He invented JavaScript, so definitely don't use that either. For real. JavaScript sucks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] bier@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago I used to hate JS but barley had used it. Now I use it on a daily base and hate it even more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nao@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago JS is difficult to avoid. Brave is easy to avoid, just use another browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Does he run/have power over JavaScript right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, not directly. Not any more than your average tech leader who goes to conferences and discusses it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh wait hey you're on my instance. Cool! We're such small one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bier@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago I used to hate JS but barley had used it. Now I use it on a daily base and hate it even more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago JS is difficult to avoid. Brave is easy to avoid, just use another browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Does he run/have power over JavaScript right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, not directly. Not any more than your average tech leader who goes to conferences and discusses it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh wait hey you're on my instance. Cool! We're such small one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, not directly. Not any more than your average tech leader who goes to conferences and discusses it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh wait hey you're on my instance. Cool! We're such small one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh wait hey you're on my instance. Cool! We're such small one lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* “It’s a small club and you ain’t in it” —Warren Bullgates Lincolnham permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago 😁 It's an elite club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 5 points 1 year ago (15 children) I need a better option then. What can yall suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 33 points 1 year ago (13 children) Firefox permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (9 children) Sure I use that too but you should have at least one chromium based browser for certain features though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vivaldi? (Sort of continuation of Opera, run by it's former CTO.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) I use LibreWolf (FireFox fork) + Ungoogled Chromium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago I personally haven't had to use a chromium browser for anything yet since my swith to Firefox. Only to test a render bug in chromium that Google hasn't bothered to fix in over 9 years for a case that works correctly in every other browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Why should you? What are these certain features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Mozilla also has many problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kerntucky@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 2 points 1 year ago Thorium. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 33 points 1 year ago (13 children) Firefox permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (9 children) Sure I use that too but you should have at least one chromium based browser for certain features though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vivaldi? (Sort of continuation of Opera, run by it's former CTO.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) I use LibreWolf (FireFox fork) + Ungoogled Chromium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago I personally haven't had to use a chromium browser for anything yet since my swith to Firefox. Only to test a render bug in chromium that Google hasn't bothered to fix in over 9 years for a case that works correctly in every other browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Why should you? What are these certain features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Mozilla also has many problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kerntucky@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (9 children) Sure I use that too but you should have at least one chromium based browser for certain features though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vivaldi? (Sort of continuation of Opera, run by it's former CTO.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) I use LibreWolf (FireFox fork) + Ungoogled Chromium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago I personally haven't had to use a chromium browser for anything yet since my swith to Firefox. Only to test a render bug in chromium that Google hasn't bothered to fix in over 9 years for a case that works correctly in every other browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Why should you? What are these certain features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Vivaldi? (Sort of continuation of Opera, run by it's former CTO.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It's a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) I use LibreWolf (FireFox fork) + Ungoogled Chromium permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium. If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago I personally haven't had to use a chromium browser for anything yet since my swith to Firefox. Only to test a render bug in chromium that Google hasn't bothered to fix in over 9 years for a case that works correctly in every other browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Why should you? What are these certain features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome. I’d rather use the browser that follows standards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Mozilla also has many problems permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kerntucky@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kerntucky@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don't really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They're really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit...) The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don't remember every link and everything I've seen but this should be a good start) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 2 points 1 year ago Thorium. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -18 points 1 year ago (16 children) What does that have to do with the browser? Last I checked, browsers aren't transphobic. You do you, but I personally refuse to make product choices based on the person who makes it. Brave is the least bad chromium browser, so I use it as a backup to my main Gecko-based browser. I'm not a fan of Mozilla either, but that's irrelevant since I pick my software based on what it does, not based on the management of the company that builds it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children) Brave is the least bad chromium browser It's pretty sleazy. Ungoogled Chromium or Vivaldi are probably less sleazy, if at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is not open source, so for me it doesn't count as a valid option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I‘m not even pro Brave but all that ad stuff is opt-in so it doesn‘t matter as long as you don‘t want to see ads. The arguments in this thread are starting to just loop in circles. Essentially using Brave is fine if you stick to the default. There‘s no sleazy stuff if you don‘t enable it and the CEO also doesn‘t make a dime from you if that‘s something you‘re concerned about. You could of course use a different chromium browser if you want but it‘s virtually the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) The only two there that bother me are the affiliate code thing (reminds me of the Honey drama) and installing extra software without consent. The first was a bad call and probably related with how their ad replacement stuff works (if anything, they should merely axe affiliate links; Firefox has that as an option), and this"solution" to the latter is pretty odd to me: reinstall the browser without admin rights Why would a browser need admin rights in the first place? I haven't used Windows in well over a decade, so I don't think that particular one would be an issue for me. The rest can be grouped as: bugs - bug fixes generally don't get prioritized until enough users complain; I would be very picky if I was an at risk person (activist or whatever) and would probably only use Tor browser opt-in services their marketing department My options for chromium browsers are: something with ineffective ad blocking Opera - I used it before it became a chromium browser, then it went downhill; not FOSS Brave, with all its warts Since ad blocking and FOSS are my prerequisites, Brave basically wins by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension? I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard. On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would not choose to use a product made by people I disagree with but leaving that aside: Is it the least bad? Why not degoogled chrome? Or chromium? Even vivaldi seems like a better choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago Ad blocking mostly. That's literally all I need in a chromium browser, because I only use it on a handful of sites that don't work properly in Firefox. Chromium is also okay, but no ad blocker. I have that installed as well in the really unlikely case that the ad blocker gets in the way. 99% of my browsing is on a Firefox browser, and 99% of the rest is on Brave. I use it so infrequently the "time saved" metric is a merely seconds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) I don't like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser: FOSS Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I'd actually be okay with ads if they didn't track me Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don't want a repeat of the IE era Security Performance Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don't really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Brave also ticks all of them? at this point, Firefox's development is not very much more open than Chromium's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children) Brave is the least bad chromium browser It's pretty sleazy. Ungoogled Chromium or Vivaldi are probably less sleazy, if at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is not open source, so for me it doesn't count as a valid option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I‘m not even pro Brave but all that ad stuff is opt-in so it doesn‘t matter as long as you don‘t want to see ads. The arguments in this thread are starting to just loop in circles. Essentially using Brave is fine if you stick to the default. There‘s no sleazy stuff if you don‘t enable it and the CEO also doesn‘t make a dime from you if that‘s something you‘re concerned about. You could of course use a different chromium browser if you want but it‘s virtually the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) The only two there that bother me are the affiliate code thing (reminds me of the Honey drama) and installing extra software without consent. The first was a bad call and probably related with how their ad replacement stuff works (if anything, they should merely axe affiliate links; Firefox has that as an option), and this"solution" to the latter is pretty odd to me: reinstall the browser without admin rights Why would a browser need admin rights in the first place? I haven't used Windows in well over a decade, so I don't think that particular one would be an issue for me. The rest can be grouped as: bugs - bug fixes generally don't get prioritized until enough users complain; I would be very picky if I was an at risk person (activist or whatever) and would probably only use Tor browser opt-in services their marketing department My options for chromium browsers are: something with ineffective ad blocking Opera - I used it before it became a chromium browser, then it went downhill; not FOSS Brave, with all its warts Since ad blocking and FOSS are my prerequisites, Brave basically wins by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension? I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard. On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago Vivaldi is not open source, so for me it doesn't count as a valid option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I‘m not even pro Brave but all that ad stuff is opt-in so it doesn‘t matter as long as you don‘t want to see ads. The arguments in this thread are starting to just loop in circles. Essentially using Brave is fine if you stick to the default. There‘s no sleazy stuff if you don‘t enable it and the CEO also doesn‘t make a dime from you if that‘s something you‘re concerned about. You could of course use a different chromium browser if you want but it‘s virtually the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) The only two there that bother me are the affiliate code thing (reminds me of the Honey drama) and installing extra software without consent. The first was a bad call and probably related with how their ad replacement stuff works (if anything, they should merely axe affiliate links; Firefox has that as an option), and this"solution" to the latter is pretty odd to me: reinstall the browser without admin rights Why would a browser need admin rights in the first place? I haven't used Windows in well over a decade, so I don't think that particular one would be an issue for me. The rest can be grouped as: bugs - bug fixes generally don't get prioritized until enough users complain; I would be very picky if I was an at risk person (activist or whatever) and would probably only use Tor browser opt-in services their marketing department My options for chromium browsers are: something with ineffective ad blocking Opera - I used it before it became a chromium browser, then it went downhill; not FOSS Brave, with all its warts Since ad blocking and FOSS are my prerequisites, Brave basically wins by default. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension? I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard. On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension? I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard. On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I recommend Firefox So do I, that's my main. Brave is my backup for the handful of sites that don't like Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would not choose to use a product made by people I disagree with but leaving that aside: Is it the least bad? Why not degoogled chrome? Or chromium? Even vivaldi seems like a better choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago Ad blocking mostly. That's literally all I need in a chromium browser, because I only use it on a handful of sites that don't work properly in Firefox. Chromium is also okay, but no ad blocker. I have that installed as well in the really unlikely case that the ad blocker gets in the way. 99% of my browsing is on a Firefox browser, and 99% of the rest is on Brave. I use it so infrequently the "time saved" metric is a merely seconds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago Ad blocking mostly. That's literally all I need in a chromium browser, because I only use it on a handful of sites that don't work properly in Firefox. Chromium is also okay, but no ad blocker. I have that installed as well in the really unlikely case that the ad blocker gets in the way. 99% of my browsing is on a Firefox browser, and 99% of the rest is on Brave. I use it so infrequently the "time saved" metric is a merely seconds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) I don't like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser: FOSS Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I'd actually be okay with ads if they didn't track me Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don't want a repeat of the IE era Security Performance Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don't really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Brave also ticks all of them? at this point, Firefox's development is not very much more open than Chromium's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) I don't like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser: FOSS Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I'd actually be okay with ads if they didn't track me Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don't want a repeat of the IE era Security Performance Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don't really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Brave also ticks all of them? at this point, Firefox's development is not very much more open than Chromium's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago Again, good for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Brave also ticks all of them? at this point, Firefox's development is not very much more open than Chromium's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 point 1 year ago Valid point then. We need compatibility with gecko, I always found it better looking than chromium permalink fedilink source parent