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[–] 68 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They haven't blocked the windows feature, they're using DRM to interfere with it. Microsoft could easily change how the DRM works any time they want, rendering all these hacks useless.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Exactly, how do you even fight with the OS except just making it bit hard for them lol. You have to tell the OS what pixels to put in the screen, there's literally no way you can hide things from the OS if they want to know.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    then people can complained it on Brave Github or their official forum and it will be fixed by their team

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My point was that brave's solution, like Signal's, is dependent on microsoft playing fair. If microsoft decides they don't want brave, signal, or anyone else using DRM to interfere with their screen scraping chatbot, there is not going to be an easy way to fix it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No way they'd do that though, because then they'd have the mouse and the other members of the content mafia breathing down their necks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's an image every few seconds. Not that piracy is currently even interested in tech that reencodes the content.
    And for training, copyrighted stuff is already everywhere; AI tools seem to be limited on the output side rather than raw training data.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Sure it wouldnt be rational to care about DRM being broken a small amount allowing limited amount of copyright material to be copied.

    What do you think their response would be?

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (40 children)

    The better option would be to not use spyware as an operating system.

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  • [+] -52 points 1 year ago (39 children)

    Do you consider any form of telemetry "spyware"?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Honestly it largely is.

    Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.

    Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Honestly it largely is.

    I mean, by definition, it isn't.

    It's anonymous and not malicious in nature. It's a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    diagnostic

    I think it is useful to send crash reports, but the user should have power over it (see: when macOS generates a crash report, it asks the user if they would like to send it)

    engagement measuring

    That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent, and I consider that malicious. There are ways to do that with consent. See: Steam’s annual hardware survey

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago

    That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent

    I mean... They're a for-profit company, so literally anything they do is to make money.

    But it's not "my data", it's anonymous. The "engagement" info is in relation to features. That's why some features are removed - because nobody uses them. Or rather: not enough people use them to warrant maintenance.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And how do you know it's not malicious in nature? I'd like to know what your definition of "malicious" is if you're just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you're doing.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago

    And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature?

    Because I have a functioning brain.

    I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is

    Malware is designed to hurt you by extracting your personal information or resources.

    Telemetry is designed to give developers feedback about product/functionality usage and is anonymous.

    you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.

    I'm not, and it's not. Unlike you, I actually checked what data telemetry gathers and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's inconsequential and anonymous.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I don't think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.

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  • [+] -36 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    It's not, but it's also not spyware - it's local, encrypted, AND optional.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Microsoft is known for making things “optional” at first then eventually forcing it down everyone’s throats. Removing offline accounts is one of them.

    It’s not so much the technology itself is malware, but its behavior replicates that of malware.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes hello John Windows my microwave account name is Oobe\bypassnro

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This also works: shift-F10 before you get to the network configuration, then type this and press enter start ms-cxh:localonly

    For either method, if you configure networking during setup, e.g. plug in an ethernet cable or give it the wi-fi password, it'll keep returning to the online account screen. You need to do it prior to network config.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right. So you're all panicking just in case.

    That's what's being swept under the rug as "alarmists being loud".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The same way you have a lock on your front door “just in case”. It’s not emotional. It’s logical.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    The lock is there. The whole thing is encrypted.

    If they somehow go through encryption, they won't just have the EU on their arses, governments of the entire world will be after them, because they trust that this encryption system makes their data secure.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Optional like how it reminds me every 3 days that it wants my info for "customization" purposes, and I can only sleep the notification for another 3 days instead of telling it to fuck off?

    They have been so predatory, at this point no one should see anything they do as benefiting end users.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Actual optional things are disabled by default.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So you're saying you haven't bothered to read about Recall at all, you just assumed it's going to be enabled by default?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world. thanks but no thanks. I'll be disabling this not with a reg key but with local policy or DSC if I have to use a windows machine for personal again.

    I switched to Linux 2 months ago.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world.

    I don't know if this is a regional thing, but I've been using Windows since 3.11 and have NEVER had ONE instance of an update randomly turning on something that I've turned off before.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Look at this bootlicker ignoring history and saying trust Microsoft.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Look at this fossil thinking it's still 1990", I guess?

    Mate, did you miss how 30 years have passed? How the world change? Can you even begin to imagine the fine the EU would slap without a second thought on MS if they tried pulling something like suddenly grabbing these screenshots from users' devices?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I will pass on being your mate. I don't like shills.

    I am curious though, what do boots taste like?

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What are you talking about now?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I believe they are talking about Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

    An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

    Of, ffs, grow up.

    An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

    You have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

    Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally. It's got NOTHING to do with telemetry, because it does NOT send data to Microsoft.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally.

    Show code or gtfo

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LOL, this is hilarious :D

    Imagine believing they can sneak gigabytes of network traffic without anyone noticing just because you can't read the code! :D

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can process it locally to your point and send txt files of passwords/sensitive info

    However, they don’t have to send anything while such a terrible feature is new. They just have to wait until enough retards accept such a feature

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know, maybe because I understand the definition of "spyware" and "telemetry"?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it's indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.

    The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can't be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn't sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.

    That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago

    However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed

    Ah, so you're another one of those fear-mongers?

    Here's the Required Diagnostic Events Fields (required telemetry) documentation.

    Keeping in mind that it's anonymous - which parts of this are you so vehemently against sending to Microsoft?

    That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

    The shittiest spyware in history, I guess, considering it's all anonymous...

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    Let me know when it is discovered that they in fact replaced MS Recall with their own version that was scraping your data in yet another sketchy attempt to make money.

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  • [–] 336 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    Literally nothing will get me to use this crypto scam of a browser.

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  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    I've used this for years and have never interacted with any crypto feature

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Not interacted doesnt mean it's non-existant.
    It exists and therefore it's bad enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it’s bad enough.

    This is debatable. i find some that people hate on AI and crypto regardless of it's implementation

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Existent**

    It's fine as a browser and it does a good job at syncing across devices. Still my chrome based browser of choice.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How mich actual difference (minus the crypto) is there to base-chromium?
    Afaik chromium is capable pf being a browser. Does that also have syncing or is it not capable of that?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    They kind of just ignore that the crypto feature is opt-in.

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  • [–] 101 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    The fact that the dev behind brave is a homophobe isn't opt in though...

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Also, their whole business model was (is?) just replacing ads with ads they get paid for.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Uh... no? It just puts sponsored backgrounds when you open new tabs or windows notifications if you opt-in

    It never replaced ads in websites afaik

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    https://ads.brave.com/

    They're not actively replacing elements on a web page, but they're still getting paid to show you ads and you can opt in for some crypto nonsense.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Sure, so? It's still opt-in, and by default it sends the generated crypto money to creators and websites you visit

    If you don't like it, don't enable it? They're pretty transparent about how it works overall

    They have pretty much abandoned this feature anyways

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's opt-in for now, how many times do we have to play this game?

    I'll keep using Firefox with uBo to actually block ads instead of a browser that's running its own ad delivery system.

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago* (13 children)
  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    That's saying that he left Mozilla for that. He's still CEO of Brave

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Can't believe this poor reading comprehension is getting upvoted.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What's amazing is they proved themselves wrong in their own post, thinking they proved themselves right. It's actually impressive.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You don't see it everyday that's for sure.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's pretty par for the course for Internet arguments in my experience. Then they get all huffy after you explain why their source doesn't say what they claimed and try to complain that because you didn't supply a source, they're still right.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you even read the text you shared? It just says he left mozilla.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The sad thing is that you now have to protect yourself against the OS you are using. Feels a bit like in the movie TRON.

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