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[–] 25 points 2 months ago (64 children)

Typing anything into these fucken forums with my instance name and seeing the .worlders respond.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    Hey man some of us worlders are anarchists too. We just didn't understand that each server has its own culture when signing up and just assumed bigger = more uptime

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Yep, me to. Wasn't so much that I didn't understand cultural differences, but the stability thing is true in the long run. I also want to minimise the possibility that I get locked into an anarchist bubble.

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    It's...kinda already there 😑

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I'm still getting your messages.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah but it's still not great in lots of other ways.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    I have not had a problem, but I'm guessing that's because I have slightly different priorities to you

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean yeah I'm sure we have different tastes and preferences, but the liberals already control that platform and make it difficult for anarchists to speak our minds. Give them a minute and they'll defederate us and possibly the whole Flotilla ... because we almost did get defederated lol. Like we were this👌close to getting defederated because they objected to one of our admins being too openly based about the anti-Zionist beliefs implied by a consistent application of the anarchist principles we openly strive to uphold.

    So it probably at least makes sense to set up an account on a more ideologically compatible instance (I'm assuming by your presence here that you're closer to anarchism than liberalism). Also...it just makes practical sense to have a backup account in case .world goes down for non-political reasons.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Same. Lemm.ee had just gotten shut down when I moved to .world. I didn't want to keep hopping instances and it had a low defederation rate so I could see and filter stuff myself as needed. Would be different if the primary reason I joined was to find anarchist spaces

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I miss lemm.ee too, fam ;~; i keep telling myself i should delete the 2fa token i set up for it on my authentication app because it'll never be used again but... It hurts. It hurts when i think about it. When i open the menu and see the option to remove it...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean its not hard to switch. I did it. But I did it because .world defederates from a lot that I wanted to see.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I mean "por que no los dos?

    Having an account on an instance does not necessarily mean one agrees with that instance's politics. Also, I personally switched over from my SDF account gradually. (Nothing against SDF or their admins, but their servers were a bit unreliable for a while, and I wanted to leave bandwidth for other people to use their service.)

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    My impression was world seems to be the landing place in fediverse from the wider internet.

    It is, but...

    Is there an underlying demographic there I'm not seeing?

    Liberal capitalists. In particular, the .world admins...kinda hate Anarchist Nexus and the rest of the Anarchist Flotilla (dbzer0 and quokk.au), because some of our people are too fucking based militantly anti-Zionist. We almost got defederated 😆

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    Yeah I don't see that many leminal.space users running around, so I don't have much of an impression of them. Also I do try not to put too much stock in a person's instance. Like there are definitely exceptions (e.g. maga.place), but even for like .worlders I know there are a few anarchists running around.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Cannot take too seriously, comrades. Cannot forget the concept and reason for silly praxis.

    If you make a home in other silly adjacent instances that generally mind their own business and spread the theory differently, neither the liberal capitalist nor the other natural enemy of an anarchist tends too notice much.

    Both can't read too well, only quote.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    huh? they're saying .world users don't like anarchists, where the hell did you see gatekeeping?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    So then instead of "seeing the .worlders respond", would you take "seeing many of the .worlders respond"? Because that's...kind of a small change, really the only sensible reading. And it certainly doesn't deserve the vitriol.

    And even if we did assume the (false) argument that literally all .worlders are anti-anarchist...you can just sign up for an account on almost any other instance, and then by the same (false) logic you're allowed to be an anarchist again. So even under such a reading, it's barely gatekeeping at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    As for vitrol, read the tone of OPs post before you judge mine.

    I literally did, it's one single sentence. You escalated the vitriol. Sanctus's vitriol was against an instance, i.e. impersonal; yours was personal.

    "Many" and "All" aren't interchangeable.

    In this context...they are. The most active and vocal users on .world, in particular the admin team, are anti-anarchist. That doesn't mean that anarchist sympathizers and even anarchists don't exist at all on .world, but it is generically true that if you say anarchist stuff in a .world community, in particular stuff that directly challenges the assumptions of liberal capitalist ideology, you will get downvoted and flamed for your views, primarily by .world liberals.

    Said differently: the dominant perspective on lemmy.world is an openly anti-anarchist social liberalism.

    However, most people aren't annoying pedants like me and don't like writing or reading huge bricks of text. This is an informal online forum, doubly so as a shitposting community; it is reasonable and expected for you to be able to sensibly fill in the details. And if you wanted to disagree with his point, you really could have stated your point without being mean to Sanctus. (You still can, since you can edit your post and apologize for coming on too strong. I've done that before.)

    And really, we're supposed to be comrades here. Not to say that we can never ever be contentious, but we really don't need to be screaming at each other if it can be avoided.

    Edit: OP, a few minutes ago.

    You're reading way too much into an off-handed comment. But since I'm an annoying pedant 😁: he said:

    I mainly chose this instance cause @anarchist.nexus sounds sicc as fucc

    He's saying that he chose this instance because it sounds cool. Not his beliefs. And there's no reason why an edgelord cannot be an anarchist. And I would argue that at least some degree of contentiousness, i.e. "edgelord behavior", is necessary (but insufficient on its own) to be an effective anarchist, for the simple reason that capitalism has made discussion about capitalism taboo.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    No you won't cause I'm gatekeeping that, too. The first to the fight will be the twinks. Any fighters that survive the first wave will be too weak to stop the main invasion force.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Lotta accusations here. I wonder what's being confessed.

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  • Alright, I'm gonna be honest. That made me actually laugh out loud. I'd wear that shirt.

    I was harsh earlier. You're right. I think I was projecting my anger and assholishness towards you. I really dislike gatekeeping. Especially during these times when we need to draw like-minded folks together. Not fracture further.

    And I ended up doing much of the fracturing.

    I apologize. I'll leave all the messages up for accountability reasons. I'll link to this post in my original reply to your OP.

    If you'd do me a favour and not lump all the .worlders together, or all members if any large instance. Technical ability and federation understanding isn't uniform. Some are here just for the memes.

    I get that's where the main pushback is coming from. But they are the largest instance.

    That's my only point.

    Be well. See you on the front lines, twink.

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